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FrankT
6.8 SPCII Hog Slayer
This started decades ago, more mama's like that, Dad's at home and these punks would be fine young kids...don't blame the cops for something they were thrown into...so a couple of cops went a bit overboard, that doesn't indite them all and certainly did not cause what is happening.
Crazydoc68
Almost a doctor
Also another fact, there was another guy in the back of this vehicle also. Who is to say they didn't get into a fight on the way to the prison????
and dangerous. At it most basic level, the difference between an armed thug and a police officer is that officers obey the law. When police officers knowingly violate the law then they border on being thugs. We see this problem in other countries, including Mexico. Officers have to held to a higher standard, and I believe that most officers would agree. These men and woman join because they want to make the community safer and to make a positive difference. Killing someone who is in their custody is a violation of their oath and a violation of society's trust.
My frustration is that Baltimore had two weeks to get ahead of this. To conduct and investigation and then either arrest or exonerate. Two weeks to mobilize the National Guard. They squandered that time. There have been enough riots following the killing of a unarmed suspect to
Viking1204
Master
Jeb I think you only need to look at one place when it comes to the fact they had to weeks to prepare, the Mayor of Baltimore. It's almost like she wanted this to happen.
The Mayor said on camera over the weekend: "we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well".
And how about the fact that Maryland's Governor had a hard time getting in touch with her.
"When the mayor called me, which quite frankly we were glad that she finally did, instantly we signed the executive order," Gov. Larry Hogan, a Republican, said. "We [had] our entire team prepared. ... We were trying to get in touch with the mayor for quite some time. She finally made that call and we immediately took action."
The Mayor said on camera over the weekend: "we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well".
And how about the fact that Maryland's Governor had a hard time getting in touch with her.
"When the mayor called me, which quite frankly we were glad that she finally did, instantly we signed the executive order," Gov. Larry Hogan, a Republican, said. "We [had] our entire team prepared. ... We were trying to get in touch with the mayor for quite some time. She finally made that call and we immediately took action."
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Marksman
So Droshki are you trying to make the statement that because of the death of this young man, the masses in baltimore have the right to pillage and burn not only chain stores like CVS but also burn and destroy private property as well. Saw a man beeing interviewed today that was standing in front of a structure fire, people were slashing the fire hoses. When asked how he felt the "man" being interveiwed said it wasn't his neighborhood and his house wasn't on fire. So are these actions justified? None of this shows support for his family, or does anything to remedy the excessive force issue. These are not peaceful protests, MLK is rolling over in his grave. They should load cropdusters up with pepper spray and just hose any group in that city thats rioting
But Gray's initial arrest may not have happened if not for an antiquated provision of Baltimore's municipal code, which prohibits the possession of a "switchblade" knife. Gray had allegedly been running from the police, for reasons that still aren't clear, and after a brief chase, officers found the knife clipped to his pocket in a closed position — he was not alleged to have brandished the knife or threatened anyone with it.
The arrest charge recalls an issue we've been covering in New York City for months — the NYPD's enforcement of a half-century old law against so-called "gravity knives." The law was the subject of a lengthy investigation we published last year which found as many as 60,000 questionable arrests in ten years, making the statute one of the top-ten most-prosecuted crimes in New York City.
See Also: How a 50s-era Knife Law Landed Thousands in Jail and Propped Up Stop and Frisk
Many legal experts — from defense attorneys to labor unions to an official body of the New York State Judiciary — say New York's law is often being applied, incorrectly, to common pocket knives that the legislature never intended to ban. We documented the arrests of construction workers, building supers — even a bible camp counselor — for simply possessing a knife that most people would regard as benign, if somewhat utilitarian. In fact, under the NYPD's interpretation of the gravity knife statute, virtually every pocket knife on the market can be considered an illegal weapon, regardless of size or criminal intent.
The municipal code under which Gray was arrested resembles New York's law in several ways, and its peculiar wording is equally ill-suited to modern technology; as we discovered when we looked at gravity knife laws in New York, knife statutes often have not kept up with current knife designs.
While news reports have described the knife Gray was carrying as a "switchblade," the actual police report (see charging documents at bottom of page) describes it as a "spring assisted, one hand opening knife," which has become among the most common on the market in recent years.
Popular models typically feature a "thumb stud" on the blade, designed for one-handed opening. The user starts opening the knife manually, and then a spring takes over, "assisting" in deploying the blade the rest of the way. Switchblades, by comparison, open with a button or switch contained in the handle of the knife.
Here's the difference between a spring assist knife and a true switchblade:
Read on:
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2015/04/freddie_grays_death_in_police.php
The arrest charge recalls an issue we've been covering in New York City for months — the NYPD's enforcement of a half-century old law against so-called "gravity knives." The law was the subject of a lengthy investigation we published last year which found as many as 60,000 questionable arrests in ten years, making the statute one of the top-ten most-prosecuted crimes in New York City.
See Also: How a 50s-era Knife Law Landed Thousands in Jail and Propped Up Stop and Frisk
Many legal experts — from defense attorneys to labor unions to an official body of the New York State Judiciary — say New York's law is often being applied, incorrectly, to common pocket knives that the legislature never intended to ban. We documented the arrests of construction workers, building supers — even a bible camp counselor — for simply possessing a knife that most people would regard as benign, if somewhat utilitarian. In fact, under the NYPD's interpretation of the gravity knife statute, virtually every pocket knife on the market can be considered an illegal weapon, regardless of size or criminal intent.
The municipal code under which Gray was arrested resembles New York's law in several ways, and its peculiar wording is equally ill-suited to modern technology; as we discovered when we looked at gravity knife laws in New York, knife statutes often have not kept up with current knife designs.
While news reports have described the knife Gray was carrying as a "switchblade," the actual police report (see charging documents at bottom of page) describes it as a "spring assisted, one hand opening knife," which has become among the most common on the market in recent years.
Popular models typically feature a "thumb stud" on the blade, designed for one-handed opening. The user starts opening the knife manually, and then a spring takes over, "assisting" in deploying the blade the rest of the way. Switchblades, by comparison, open with a button or switch contained in the handle of the knife.
Here's the difference between a spring assist knife and a true switchblade:
Read on:
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2015/04/freddie_grays_death_in_police.php
village voice?
I concede that is not a great link, however I am at work, and don't have time for extensive internet research.
That said, even that citation shows more responsibility to my fellow forum members then simply typing something such as:
maxfold
Master
When he was first stopped was it an undercover sting ?? Or a stop and search .how did it start ? ...the gravity knife should not be a switch blade ! Spring assist ,these are common types ,switch blade is sideopening auto. Was he involved with a illegal gun sale / buy. And if so was it stolen? Trying to understand how this started .
Viking1204
Master
Geez Droshki, look at his rap sheet, he's a hardened felon that was getting more dangerous with age and you are defending him like he was your brother. You must really not like cops if you're willing to take the side of a felon with his rap sheet. It's obvious he has no qualms about breaking the law. As was stated before, how many crimes did he commit that he wasn't caught? Sure the cops made some mistakes but you act like this guy was a saint. You have no clue what went on in that Van, he could have turned on the cops knowing his latest arrest would problem put him away for a long time due to repeated convictions for the same crime. Even the media is painting him as a saint, not one of the main stream articles I've read bring up his long rap sheet and felony convictions, it's almost like the media is trying to incite the riots so they have something to cover.
Viking1204
Master
Fletch that situation isn't even close to his, he's a felon with a long rap sheet. He ran from the cops because that is the life he chose.
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