Long night for Baltimore

[JBryan314]

As many cops as there are in the US, as many offenders as they deal with on a daily basis, it is IMPOSSIBLE for mistakes not to be made. It is IMPOSSIBLE for bad people to be totally prevented from getting into law enforcement. I truly believe the numbers and stats for police brutality are very low, and I don't see them ever getting significant lower. At some point we will reach the human error threshold, where unavoidable flaws in the human condition will not allow brutality episodes to occur any less often. But I GUARANTEE that it won't be low enough for the mob and the people who support the actions of the mob. Should we hold LE to a higher standard? Should they meet that standard? The answer is yes, to both questions. But one day the mob and their supporters will hold them to an impossible standard. And WHEN that standard is not met, the mob will rise again. It's what they do.

They aren't out for equality. They're out for revenge and blood and loot. Any excuse is good enough.

 

[Jeb21]

Flyandscuba, I cannot agree with you. You are wrong about the lack of civilizations in Africa. More importantly, that is not the point. We do not judge the citizens of our country by what their ancestors may have done or not done more than a 100 years ago. As long as we feel the need to identify folks as Black American, or White American or Chinese Americans we are going to have inherent racial biases. Hopefully, in our lifetimes people will just be called Americans. You identify Gray as a thug because he repeatedly broke the law. How do you identify the police who also broke the law when they killed Gray either intentionally or by culpable neglect. Prisoners are supposed to make it to jail alive and unharmed, not dead. It is a police van not a hearse. I could go on but you got the idea. When the police act like criminals then no one wins.

 

[Droshki]

"Nickle Rides" were a known issue with the Baltimore police department (and others), and would be considered sadistic torture had anyone but a cop been doing it.

They were told specifically to knock it off. But they did not. They ended up killing a man, by breaking his neck and severing his spinal cord..

The police commissioner conceded they were at fault.

Yes, nobody was charged.

That's why they now have what they have.

Its not any more complicated than that.

 

[Droshki]

And those cops have put all their colleagues at risk by their irresponsible and criminal actions.

Baltimore police say gangs 'teaming up' to take out officers

Police said in a statement that they have received information that members of "various gangs" — including the Black Guerrilla Family, the Bloods and the Crips — have "entered into a partnership" to harm police.

 

[jakec]

level 4 chimpout!!! im with them on the violence solves problems thing, but the looting stores and shit doesn't have anything to do with police brutality. if they were only fighting against cops I could see a rhyme and reason to it but not this. theyre just looking for a reason to go ape shit. I bet half those dumb bastards don't even know the reason its happening. seems like this happens up north a lot more than down here.

 

[Jeb21]

Should we hold LE to a higher standard? Should they meet that standard? The answer is yes, to both questions. But one day the mob and their supporters will hold them to an impossible standard. And WHEN that standard is not met, the mob will rise again.

Absolutely, we hold them to a higher standard. These are not armed civilians or security guards, these are trained law enforcement officials. It is a brutally difficult job and it may not suit everyone. But we give them a great deal of power and responsibility. If an individual cannot handle both, then he or she needs to go. As for standards being impossibly high, we are not talking about a bad parking ticket or serving a warrant on the wrong house. Six police officers were involved in an incident that resulted in the death of a man. So far no justification for his death has come forward. In fact just the opposite. It seems that the police have admitted that they were in the wrong. This incident fell below anyone's standards.

 

[Action]

What if everytime a cop got shot and killed in America the cops burnt the damn town down? What that be ok with some of you? Cops don't always make the right decision but don't use a blanket statement for all of us. I'm not sure I have ever met a cop that has signed up to hurt people but I know a shit load that signed up to help. I don't know what happened to the guy in Baltimore but if the cops were wrong, they get what they deserve. When I say them I mean the ones responsible not the cops that aren't involved or the business owners who don't have a dog in the fight. To the "marchers" I hope the only thing that beats them to hell is the headlights on the hearse!

 

[Droshki]

level 4 chimpout!!! im with them on the violence solves problems thing, but the looting stores and shit doesn't have anything to do with police brutality. if they were only fighting against cops I could see a rhyme and reason to it but not this. .

From CNN: -- Fifteen police officers were injured, DeSousa said. Two remain hospitalized, and the others have been released. Most were hurt by flying debris.

 

[SAWMAN]

Someone please correct me if I am wrong about this.

When you are put under arrest,when the LEO states ..."you are under arrest" it is his sworn duty to protect you as if you were his own father. It is also the duty of ALL other LEO officers to protect you and help the arresting officer protect you. This means,to keep you from ALL bodily harm. If you bump your head on the door of the cruiser .. BAD. If you trip and fall while walking up or down stairs it is their DUTY to hold you up and keep you from hurting yourself. While you are under arrest you will be guarded and taken care of as a ward of the state,city,county,etc.

Don't LEO's hold up their right hand and swear an oath to do just this ?? --- SAWMAN

 

[Droshki]

Someone please correct me if I am wrong about this.

When you are put under arrest,when the LEO states ..."you are under arrest" it is his sworn duty to protect you as if you were his own father. It is also the duty of ALL other LEO officers to protect you and help the arresting officer protect you. This means,to keep you from ALL bodily harm. If you bump your head on the door of the cruiser .. BAD. If you trip and fall while walking up or down stairs it is their DUTY to hold you up and keep you from hurting yourself. While you are under arrest you will be guarded and taken care of as a ward of the state,city,county,etc.

Don't LEO's hold up their right hand and swear an oath to do just this ?? --- SAWMAN

Exactly.

There's really no confusion here.

Except why nobody was arrested.

Arresting the offenders would end this immediately.

 

[Jeb21]

Fifteen police officers hurt in the riot. It is time for the National Guard. More manpower and not the object of everyone's hate. Best wishes to the injured officers and their families.

 

[flyandscuba]

Don't be so quick to jump to the conclusion that the police are directly responsible for Gray's injury. He was combative going into the van - we have at this point no idea what he did in the van or what countermeasures were employed.

An investigation will occur. If you aren't going to be satisfied with any outcome other than "the cops killed him" - you're just as wrong from the outset.

As for the "African civilizations" - please provide examples of contributions to MODERN SOCIETY that have come from that continent. Shaka Zulu and his "nation" doesn't count.

The country of Liberia is a perfect example. After the civil war - freed slaves were provided transit back to Africa and set up with land and a country with a constitution similar to the USA. Their national flag even resembles ours - except that it has only a single star on a field of blue. The capital was named after President Monroe.

Now, look at Liberia and Monrovia today - it is a shit hole. It is an example of a social failure. You can give a group of people everything they need to succeed - land, livestock, infrastructure, and a system of government. If the culture of the people isn't inspired and founded on personal responsibility a hard work - it deteriorates and turns into a shit hole in short order.

I see the same kind of governmental "gifts" in infrastructure not maintained and allowed to deteriorate into a state of disrepair up here in the remote villages of Alaska. Millions of dollars have been spent building power plants, water treatment plants, waste water treatment plants, etc - all to support a village of a few hundred residents in an area of frozen ground in an area no sane person would still want to call home if they didn't have to. That money that came out of your pocket as a tax payer too! Mere months or a few years later and all of it is in a state of disrepair.

There simply is no pride of ownership or responsibility to maintain and take care of any of it. The mindset is "the government paid to build it - let the government take care of it when it breaks".

There are cultural things that can only change from within. The inner city black culture has embraced reproduction without fatherhood - and as a means to obtain more benefits for unwed mothers. It has embraced the gangsta thug lifestyle through music and entertainment. Thugs and performers are glorified - while those few choosing to pursue and education and obtain careers are accused by fellow members in their society as "acting white".

The solution starts in the inner city black family - not in the small percentage of law enforcement excessive use of force. Do I support the militarization of police forces that has occurred in the last 25 years? No, I don't.

However, I do believe that the vast majority of law enforcement officers simply want to make a difference in their communities - and survive the daily "war zone" to make it home to their families every night.

Cops just don't go to work "hoping they get to beat and kill a poor unarmed black man". Chances are - some, if not most, of the Cops who had hands on Gray were black themselves...

 

[FrankT]

Come on guys - the reason that this is happening in Baltimore (or happened in Ferguson) is the same reason that there isn't a country worth a shit on the continent of Africa. It's just not in the culture... Nothing of any substance has ever been created, built, or invented in an African nation (unless European Colonists did it).

Tribal mentality and conflict are alive and well on the streets of the USA just as they are in Somalia, Nairobi, Johannesburg, or any other trash heap on the continent.

It was other Africans that captured and sold Africans into slavery - and middle eastern Muslims who transported them to the "new world" in the 1600-1700s, not the "white man".

If their ancestors hadn't been brought over here as slaves at some point - these thugs burning Baltimore would still be over in Africa hacking each other's arms off as Hutus and Tutsis...

Instead, they "tribe up" as bloods, crips, or black guerrillas and kill each other every day. Until one dies at the hands of a non-black - then it is an excuse to "protest", which means steal whatever you can and destroy stuff for the hell of it. And while you're at it - beat any non-blacks that you see.

It's cultural - and no amount of "social change" will EVER be good enough for the race baiters, lest they find themselves out of a career. The Sharpton's, Jackson's, and black "family lawyers" that run to situation like moths to a flame don't really want to see any civility or change - they are just seeking to line their own personal pockets with wealth by playing into the emotions of the tribal members...

This last thug was no innocent member of society - he was just another turd who got his toilet flushed.

I love the way the black community gets all torn up about thug criminals getting a beat down...If the damn liberal judges and do gooders would stop protecting them, IF the black father would stay at home and support their families, we would no see any of this. These riots/looting have Nothing to do with a black criminal being killed by the cops.

 

[Snow Bird]

I have read all the posts so far and don't have much to add but I don't think anyone has mentioned yet that almost every one involved (Family,Police,)Have asked for the protest to be peaceful. I beleave that everytime this happens it is started by outsiders.

It has not helped in the least that nothing has been done toward bringing those responsable to give any kind of answer.

This kind of protesting is WRONG and will backfire in the end IMO.

 

[Droshki]

This can end immediately.

Arrest the suspect cops. The vast preponderance of evidence points to them as the cause of death.

If they're not guilty, it'll come out at trial.

Just like everyone else.

 

[Fletch]

The thugs just burnt down a brand new mutli-story senior center built by a church. What a shame that this inept mayor didn't take more decisive action earlier. Just thugs taking advantage of a situation and nothing more. Now they are more emboldened and cocky. More lives will be lost in the future due to the weak response. Someone will eventually have to drop the hammer on them.

 

[Overtime]

This can end immediately.

Arrest the suspect cops. The vast preponderance of evidence points to them as the cause of death.

If they're not guilty, it'll come out at trial.

Just like everyone else.

So just give into the animals destroying their own town? So that's the message you send? You pitch a big enough fit and we will reward you? Screw That. Don't give the gangstas any credit. Give them all free van rides.

 

[Droshki]

If the cops would have been arrested, based on the available evidence, like anyone else, none of this would have happened.

The police commissioner even admitted his officers were at fault.

What more do you need?

 

[Hopin4aboat]

Droshki if you truly believe that you are delusional, these animals would have killed the same man on the street corner for wearing the wrong color hat or shirt, they could give 2 shits about so called justice. I'm glad you have all the evidence and could come up with the only conclusion the officers were guilty.

I read the person under arrest was supposed to be seat belted in... Or restrained by other approved necessary means. All we know is he wasn't seatbelted in doesn't mean he was secured. For all we know he was seatbelted in and decided to headbut something hard and broke his own neck and the ride secured bu other measures severed his spinal cord. In the future we will find out what happened and at that point we can decide if the cops should be charged. I realize you have it out for all cops so they must be guilty savages but fortionately they aren't and most do everything they can to make the right decision and help people.

 

[Jeb21]

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As for the "African civilizations" - please provide examples of contributions to MODERN SOCIETY that have come from that continent. Shaka Zulu and his "nation" doesn't count.

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You know that homo-sapiens came from Africa, right. African is the birth place of modern man. How much more of a contribution do you want? How about about Nelson Mandela.

Here is the other problem, if you include the entire continent of Africa then we need to look at Egypt, Libya and Algiers as well. Their contributions to society are beyond debate. Really though you are referencing sub-Sahara Africa. You can Google this and see that there were several powerful African cultures. Carthage come to mind as does Sheba. I still don't get logic of denigrating blacks because what may or may not have happened in Africa. Blacks, like anyone else in this country can exceed given the right blending of opportunity, luck, perseverance - Collin Powell, Michael Jordan, Emit Smith, Will Smith, Denzel Washington, John Washington Carver, Thurgood Marshall, Clarence Thomas, Condoleezza Rice, and President Obama.