umm... how many benelli m4s in service? pump guns are fine but in no way faster. maybe faster in the well seasoned combat veteran or old skeet shooters hands, but in regular standard hands? doubtful. i'll give ya less than lethal ammo but i ain't using beanbags if the mobs comin'... you do you, i'll continue to be happy as all get out with my 1301 thank you.
Good for you, but I'll take that substandard 590A1 into the Trenches and stick a few folks with the attached M9 while I'm reloading along the way. Sometimes folks need to agree to disagree? Now what was it that your Benelli actually proved to do better? While we are considering the debate points, perhaps you got stuck with an M9? Bayonets never run out of ammo. JMHO YMMV! There can only be one WINNER, perhaps that WINNER shall have the "BEST" Tactical Shotgun available for their skill set at the time. But at 1500 yards what use is a shotgun? CQB has been cut & slice from the begining of time, it won't change. The Bayonet at the front, and butt plate on the rear are of more consequence as long as the broomstick goes bang everytime you have a round to expend. MHO. That's a Tactical Interpretation. YMMV. Now about that Benelli, there are a lot of E-1 gate guards in service that will never spend a day in CQB or H-H in their life. But arm them with a Semiautomatic Shotgun without a Bayonet, a soft polymer butt stock, and folks that can't scratch the mark are going to think twice prior to bracing them. Hardened Veterans consider folks so armed as PREY. YMMV. Guess there is a reason that the USMC still gives recruits sticks to beat each other with in Boot camp? JMHO YMMV? TACTICAL at SHOTGUN range? Just how critical is cyclic rate when at most you have 9 rounds? Pointy front and really hard butt, that's Tactical! YMMV.
Which brings up the M3... why not, since it is pump OR semi-auto? (note: the Stoeger M3K is set up like an M3, minus the ability to switch to pump operation; i.e., the recoil spring on both is under the forend instead of in the buttstock like on the M2 and M4).
Yep... when I heard "tactical", I wasn't thinking "(inside) home defense". My M3K makes a decent tactical shotgun (if I have the option to hit a 6" dot with a slug @ 100 yds... at night... that's pretty "tactical", right?), but it's useless as a "(in) home defense" shotgun : )
Tactical is a term measured in distance. Shotgun use is measured in feet. It's all about at what distance your firearm gives you the advantage. Inside of 21 feet a blade is Tactically Advantageous to a firearm. Inside of 40 feet a sidearm has an advantage against a long gun.Outside of 50 yards, you better perceive a different concept. So CQB is going to happen inside of a building with less than 20 foot rooms. Take a minute to think about that! Just how important is your cyclic rate? How about having three feet of blade length on your attacker? Perhaps I am wasting my time? But Dusty Dog just got the message. 25 Yards is not Close Quarter Battle. What room in your house is 75 feet long? It ain't about how far away, it's all about nose to nose. That's Tactical with a shotgun. JMHO.
"Substandard"... never said that. You asked, like an idiot I responded with my honest opinion. Not that it matters to you. Why ask the question to crap all over members answers? At least you're consistent...
No question the 870 is a standard. Mine has a 14” barrel and has frequently been a car gun in executive protection jobs…
Still trying to figure out what question I asked that G-rat was answering? But if I hurt G-rat 's feelings in any way, well then I Apologize. I also apologize to the OP for taking this time in the OP's thread for apologies. Back to the topic at hand. Since there is more than one tactical type situation that a shotgun can be used in, perhaps there are different shotguns which work best for different tactical situations? Should we break down which tactical situations are best solved with which Tactical Shotgun. As DustyDog mentioned, his tactical shotgun for use afield wouldn't be of much use within the confined spaces of the house. So different tactics probably require different Tactical Shotguns? PS: If only everyday could be St Patties Day!!!! Smiley Face
