All those trying to sell your pistol braced firearms, video worth watching..

[skyydiver]

ive already got class 3 stuff so i'll take all the tax stamps they wanna give me!!!

That’s one way to look at it. Not necessarily the “hang together so we don’t hang separately” perspective, but a perspective.


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[Rebel_Rider1969]

From my cold dead arm!

 

[FrommerStop]

From my cold dead arm!

How about: over your dead body x2@#$

 

[G-rat]

That’s one way to look at it. Not necessarily the “hang together so we don’t hang separately” perspective, but a perspective.


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you do you guy... i'll be me. been wanting to sbr a couple things for a while and if handed lemons, i'll make lemonaide.

 

[Snake-Eyes]

For those who want to register for a “free” tax stamp, just remember:
unlike a normal Form-1 process where a denial just means you can’t build one, in THIS case, if for ANY reason your “Amnesty” Form-1 is denied, then they already have stated they will take enforcement action. Whatever that is, from a strongly worded letter via certified mail to armored agents at your door with a warrant, they are allowed to take enforcement action because you sent photos and proof of possession of a now unregistered SBR. Whether you plea down to something less than a felony, or ”simply” surrender the weapon, who knows.

Don’t think of it as a registry (which it will contribute to).
Just think of it as confessing to a federal felony and asking for leniency/amnesty: there‘s always a possibility they say “No”. Then what does that mean for you? Would the $200 be worth it to you then?

Just food for thought.

 

[G-rat]

Again, you do you... I'll do what I need without having to answer to anyone on here. Ya'll make your own decisions, figure out your own risk analysis, register or dont, answer to yourself before alphabet bois and do whatever you think is best. Ima do what I gotta do for me...

 

[FrommerStop]

For those who want to register for a “free” tax stamp, just remember:
unlike a normal Form-1 process where a denial just means you can’t build one, in THIS case, if for ANY reason your “Amnesty” Form-1 is denied, then they already have stated they will take enforcement action. Whatever that is, from a strongly worded letter via certified mail to armored agents at your door with a warrant, they are allowed to take enforcement action because you sent photos and proof of possession of a now unregistered SBR. Whether you plea down to something less than a felony, or ”simply” surrender the weapon, who knows.

Don’t think of it as a registry (which it will contribute to).
Just think of it as confessing to a federal felony and asking for leniency/amnesty: there‘s always a possibility they say “No”. Then what does that mean for you? Would the $200 be worth it to you then?

Just food for thought.

I am not sure what happens if the request if refused. But the other concern was if the application was not approved during the 120 day window.
Right now I just do not want to have an SBR and that is why I would get rid of the brace and any other no no.
The trick now is that ATF is trying to build themselves a data base for AR and other pistols with the owner and precise address. Once registered the government sort of has a claim marker on that property. And of course the ATF can decide to seize by simply changing a rule anytime that they please is their thinking.

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS FOR FINAL RULE 2021-08F
25. PRIOR TO AND AFTER THE EXPIRATION OF THE 120-DAY TAX FORBEARANCE, CAN I CONTINUE TO POSSESS MY SBR EQUIPPED WITH A “STABILIZING BRACE” IF I HAVE TIMELY SUBMITTED MY APPLICATION TO REGISTER MY FIREARM?
• Yes. Provided you are not otherwise prohibited from possession of a firearm under Federal or State law, you may continue to lawfully possess your SBR while your registration application is pending with ATF. While your application is pending, you should maintain proof of submission as evidence of continued lawful possession.

 

[FrommerStop]

Again, you do you... I'll do what I need without having to answer to anyone on here. Ya'll make your own decisions, figure out your own risk analysis, register or dont, answer to yourself before alphabet bois and do whatever you think is best. Ima do what I gotta do for me...

On another forum a couple of lows lifes got angry with me because I said when this issue first came up that I would obey the law. If I kept the brace, that means I would do paperwork or get rid of the brace.
If you want to SBR your own property that is your business and not mine or anyone else's. And If I do not want to do that again it is not anyone else's concern.
I doubt that the ATF will be able to effectively pursue violators due to vast numbers of them, but still 10 yrs and a 10,000 dollar fine are just not worth it since I can still for the moment still own AR rifles and glock pistols.

 

[Snake-Eyes]

File the admission of a federal felony or don’t. Obviously everyone is free to do as they see fit.

I guess I need to go read the PUBLISHED “rule” because the sneaky SOBs changed some stuff from the draft they put out for all of us to pick apart for them. I get to find out how much time I wasted reading those 293 pages of BS...

Regardless, I don’t trust the BATFECES. It has demonstrated over and over again by its ACTIONS what kind of organization it is and what kind of character makes up the majority of its members.

Sell your brace. Bury it. Burn it. Trash it.
Run it proudly at every gun range and competition you can.
Leave it mounted and stored away.
Live in fear, or don’t.
Defy tyranny, or don’t.

Best of luck to all of us, whatever our individual decisions from here.

 

[FrommerStop]

File the admission of a federal felony or don’t. Obviously everyone is free to do as they see fit.

I guess I need to go read the PUBLISHED “rule” because the sneaky SOBs changed some stuff from the draft they put out for all of us to pick apart for them. I get to find out how much time I wasted reading those 293 pages of BS...

Regardless, I don’t trust the BATFECES. It has demonstrated over and over again by its ACTIONS what kind of organization it is and what kind of character makes up the majority of its members.

Sell your brace. Bury it. Burn it. Trash it.
Run it proudly at every gun range and competition you can.
Leave it mounted and stored away.
Live in fear, or don’t.
Defy tyranny, or don’t.

Best of luck to all of us, whatever our individual decisions from here.

There will come a point when a line will have to be drawn in the sand, but the brace is not it relative to out right defiance. In fact I was just looking a legal folding rifle that would be just as compact for transportation that I might get. Called ARfold rifle.

The ATF made a huge mistake from day one with this brace issue. The entire justification was for the disabled to be able to strap a gun to their arm and that was doable without allowing for a brace that contacts the shoulder. The biggie is that they allowed it and now perhaps up to 40 million have been sold as a high number and at least 3 million according to ATF for a low number. Then a whole series of back and forth decisions and to top it off it was a poorly written final rule. And now ATF says the Americans with Disabilities Act does not apply to their gun rulings. The gun rights people want to attack this on the 2nd A and not on the rights for the disabled, but discrimination lawsuits against the disabled are also being filed.
A real goal of the gun rights forces here is to attack the NFA Miller Supreme court ruling. The progun lawyers are looking for a way to get their foot in the door to challenge it. It was upheld on the basis that sawed off shotguns are not weapons of the militia.

 

[FrommerStop]

At least Scott seems to be on the right this time. Email from

Sens. Rick Scott, Roger Marshall and Colleagues Reintroduce SHORT Act to Roll Back ATF’s New Pistol Brace Rule​

February 1, 2023​

Yesterday, Senator Rick Scott joined Senator Roger Marshall and their colleagues in introducing the Stop Harassing Owners of Rifles Today (SHORT) Act, legislation that fights back against the Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ (ATF) recently announced federal registry for firearms with stabilizing braces.

Senator Rick Scott said, “I’m a proud supporter of our Constitution and the 2nd Amendment. Biden and the far-left’s blatant attempt to push overreaching policies that infringe on the rights of law-abiding Americans is completely unacceptable. Our bill, the SHORT Act, stops the ATF’s ridiculous attempt to make criminals of law-abiding gun owners and protects the constitutional rights our nation was founded on.”

Read more from Senator Marshall’s office below.

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Looks like Rubio is on board too

Rubio, Colleagues Introduce Resolution Protecting Second Amendment​

Apr 27 2022​

Washington, D.C. — U.S. Senators Marco Rubio (R-FL) and Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) introduced a Congressional Review Act (CRA) joint resolution of disapproval (S. J. Res. 45). The CRA would prohibit the U.S. Department of Justice from implementing a new rule that would expand the definition of a firearm and establish a national gun registry.

 

[Snake-Eyes]

Meh. Rick Scott signed the “bump stock ban”. That SOB needs to do more....

 

[FrommerStop]

Meh. Rick Scott signed the “bump stock ban”. That SOB needs to do more....

He certainly needs to do more. I will have to check, but I thought it was an executive order from Pres Trump with the recommendation of the NRA.

 

[Snake-Eyes]

He certainly needs to do more. I will have to check, but I thought it was an executive order from Pres Trump with the recommendation of the NRA.

At the Federal level, sure. Big black eye and disappointment for that administration.

At the Florida State level, however, then-governor Skeletor Scott signed a Florida version into law to REALLY STICK IT to us Floridians specifically in 2018. All because a bunch of whiny high schoolers got funded by deep pockets to be whiny all over main-stream-media because an adult shot up their school while local deputies listened outside.

The Federal level ban has been overturned by the courts, but what about the BS at the Florida state level?
When will that go away?

In that bill, it redefined “bump fire stock” with such broad strokes that many accessories, including binary triggers, (and even some “regular” aftermarket triggers if you want to be strict), are banned, too.

Just another example of short-sighted Unconstitutional legislative overreach without any repercussions to the morons who drafted it, nor the ones who voted for it, nor the one who signed it into law.

 

[FrommerStop]

At the Federal level, sure. Big black eye and disappointment for that administration.

At the Florida State level, however, then-governor Skeletor Scott signed a Florida version into law to REALLY STICK IT to us Floridians specifically in 2018. All because a bunch of whiny high schoolers got funded by deep pockets to be whiny all over main-stream-media because an adult shot up their school while local deputies listened outside.

The Federal level ban has been overturned by the courts, but what about the BS at the Florida state level?
When will that go away?

In that bill, it redefined “bump fire stock” with such broad strokes that many accessories, including binary triggers, (and even some “regular” aftermarket triggers if you want to be strict), are banned, too.

Just another example of short-sighted Unconstitutional legislative overreach without any repercussions to the morons who drafted it, nor the ones who voted for it, nor the one who signed it into law.

But today the current GOP Gov is pushing constitutional carry and ex Gov Scott as a senator is at least publicly going after the ATF. So now he is doing more. But do i trust him? NO!

 

[FrommerStop]

The danger with the bump stock ruling is a typical AK and likely many other semiautos will bumpfire in the original semiauto configurations; not all the difficult for ATF to make a new ruling and outlawing semiauto rifles for being machineguns without anything being added to them.

 

[Mullet Hunter]

So right now… Today is it legal to have a gun with a brace on it or not? It is very confusing. This is why I said a few post back they went about the whole thing wrong and shitty. One day they are gonna ban, one day 5hey are not, the next day 5hey are gonna allow you to register them all…. 5hey don’t know what they are gonna do or how to handle it. 5hey should have banned them when the first one was discovered years ago instead of waiting til millions were already being used.

I still say not to worry because of that very fact. They have contributed so much confusion To the point that any federal judge in their right mind could clearly understand. I don’t see the first conviction happening.from this mess.

Also I wonder how many violent crimes have been committed or enacted where a pistol brace cam into play.. Even more how would the absence of said brace during said crime would have changed the outcome of the crime at hand…

You cannot close the damn gate after the cows are out and call fowl. Like I said sit back watch, and don’t worry… this will go away and I pray it does because it will open a much larger door… The Government needs an enema, from the rooter to the tooted… Stupid…

Again I ask: Today can I have a pistol brace installed on a pistol?

 

[FrommerStop]

So right now… Today is it legal to have a gun with a brace on it or not? It is very confusing. This is why I said a few post back they went about the whole thing wrong and shitty. One day they are gonna ban, one day 5hey are not, the next day 5hey are gonna allow you to register them all…. 5hey don’t know what they are gonna do or how to handle it. 5hey should have banned them when the first one was discovered years ago instead of waiting til millions were already being used.

I still say not to worry because of that very fact. They have contributed so much confusion To the point that any federal judge in their right mind could clearly understand. I don’t see the first conviction happening.from this mess.

Also I wonder how many violent crimes have been committed or enacted where a pistol brace cam into play.. Even more how would the absence of said brace during said crime would have changed the outcome of the crime at hand…

You cannot close the damn gate after the cows are out and call fowl. Like I said sit back watch, and don’t worry… this will go away and I pray it does because it will open a much larger door… The Government needs an enema, from the rooter to the tooted… Stupid…

From my reading of the final rule is that if it is a braced pistol it is now classed as an SBR. To be safe I would not sell one with a brace still attached to someone in a private sale. It might be legal to sell, but I just do not know since they are under a sort of compliance period in which you can own it as an SBR until May 31, 2023, but i saw nothing about being able to sell it with the brace attached. You have until may 31, 2023 to comply. I think it is ok to shoot it at a range for now, but I would not use one with brace attached in self defense. If inadvertently you misjudge a shooting scenario and it turns out not to be self defense, then there is a federal law that has a penalty of up to ten years for using any SBR in a crime of violence.
If anyone knows differently, please post.

 

[FrommerStop]

So right now… Today is it legal to have a gun with a brace on it or not? It is very confusing. This is why I said a few post back they went about the whole thing wrong and shitty. One day they are gonna ban, one day 5hey are not, the next day 5hey are gonna allow you to register them all…. 5hey don’t know what they are gonna do or how to handle it. 5hey should have banned them when the first one was discovered years ago instead of waiting til millions were already being used.

I still say not to worry because of that very fact. They have contributed so much confusion To the point that any federal judge in their right mind could clearly understand. I don’t see the first conviction happening.from this mess.

Also I wonder how many violent crimes have been committed or enacted where a pistol brace cam into play.. Even more how would the absence of said brace during said crime would have changed the outcome of the crime at hand…

You cannot close the damn gate after the cows are out and call fowl. Like I said sit back watch, and don’t worry… this will go away and I pray it does because it will open a much larger door… The Government needs an enema, from the rooter to the tooted… Stupid…

Again I ask: Today can I have a pistol brace installed on a pistol?

I forgot to respond to: Again I ask: Today can I have a pistol brace installed on a pistol?
That is something that I do not know. I know it is legal to possess a braced pistol without a tax stamp until May 31. I do not know if it is legal to assemble a brace. But how would they know as long as you do not talk about it here or elsewhere.
I doubt that any gunsmith or FFL or SOT would do it for you.

 

[stage20]

If gun stores are removing pistol braces from their guns, do the math. It is a felony to sell a braced pistol, even during this grace period.