Sidearm Selection.

[Fanner50]

Sig's are fantastic sidearms, but you are aware that after action Naval reports document that their tolerances get to tight to function as the round count goes up? So the more you fire the less they function. Perhaps that's why the "Buff Boy's" don't carry them anymore??????

After 31 years, some Navy special operators are saying goodbye to their favorite sidearm

After three decades, Navy Special Warfare Combatant Craft crewmen are preparing to part with the Sig Sauer P228.

www.businessinsider.com

LOL. I'm not concerned. When I reach a hundred thousand rounds I'll give it a cleaning and be back in business.

 

[M118LR]

It's hard to conceive that even special operators are switching from DA/SA to Striker Fired. Glocks seem to be taking over most PD's & Military Organizations nowadays.

M11-A1 Compact

An authentic, upgraded variant of P229 with the features required by professionals.

www.sigsauer.com

GLOCK 19X

GLOCK's first ever "Crossover" pistol, the GLOCK 19X, combines the best features of two of its most popular and most trusted field-tested platforms.

us.glock.com

I'll probably never part with my Glock 21SF, but I'm really not that impressed with the rest of the lineup. Perhaps it's just my affinity for the .45 ACP? But a 9mm NATO (Parabellum) just doesn't "Bring It" in my opinion. But then again, single stacked subcompacts in 9mm Parabellum are more manageable than subcompact .45 ACP's generally speaking. Don't even want to get into the .40 caliber Glock debacle.

 

[SAWMAN]

During my time in SE Asia I carried a Colt 1911 45ACP mostly. Depending on the job several times I carried a 38 snubby. A S&W Mod 60.
Later in my USN career,when carrying a concealed weapon for work,I carried a Colt Combat Commander chambered in 38Super. (I had a great boss.) --- SAWMAN

 

[M118LR]

Perhaps a little Revolver Gunporn:
Now this could be considered a Dan Wesson Collection, but they all had specific tasks and it includes the first of many L-Frame S&W Revolvers.

 

[Longtooth]

I'll probably never part with my Glock 21SF, but I'm really not that impressed with the rest of the lineup. Perhaps it's just my affinity for the .45 ACP? But a 9mm NATO (Parabellum) just doesn't "Bring It" in my opinion. But then again, single stacked subcompacts in 9mm Parabellum are more manageable than subcompact .45 ACP's generally speaking. Don't even want to get into the .40 caliber Glock debacle.

Whats the difference in a 21 and a 21SF?

 

[M118LR]

Whats the difference in a 21 and a 21SF?

A couple of design Generations, different springs etc. internal operational differences. You did select a Gen 4, while Gen 5 is already in the works.

History

Learn about the history of GLOCK.

us.glock.com

Perhaps the easiest way I can answer this question is with a question. What is the difference between a Model 29 S&W .44 Mag Revolver and a Model 29-4 S&W .44 Mag Revolver?

Smith & Wesson Model 29 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The original difference between the Glock 21 & the Glock 21SF was the Trigger Distance. The Short Frame was designed for folks with shorter fingers and small hands. (Kind of like Golf Gloves. Mens Small Cadet vice Mens Large.) {Hope this explanation is easy to understand?}

 

[Longtooth]

The Glock website does not have any gen5 Glock 21s listed.

The history of Glock link doesn't have any info on the differences between the two Im asking about.
I dont know a lot about guns in general, but I know next to nothing about revolvers.

The explanation of frame difference doesn't make sense to me because the screenshot I uploaded from the Glock website has the dimensions of them as the exact same other then the total weight with an empty mag (5 grams difference)
Even trigger difference is the exact same.

Is it just different internals?

Iv got a hankering for a Glock in 45 Cal, but I dont like how the 30 fits in my hand. The 9mm 19 and 17 are much better for me.

 

[Longtooth]

The best answer I can find online is: The SF frame is the same width as the standard frame, but trigger reach has been reduced by 2.5 mm and the heel of the grip is 4 mm shorter.

This doesn't make sense to me because according to the Glock site, they are the exact same...

I have got to be missing something.

 

[M118LR]

The best answer I can find online is: The SF frame is the same width as the standard frame, but trigger reach has been reduced by 2.5 mm and the heel of the grip is 4 mm shorter.

This doesn't make sense to me because according to the Glock site, they are the exact same...

I have got to be missing something.

You are missing a lot of years (Decades) of development.
Back when the Glock 21 & Glock 21 SF were first developed the Glock 21 trigger reach was reduced by 2.5mm to produce the Glock 21 SF. Today the Gen 4 Glock 21 incorporates the shorter trigger reach (of the Original Glock 21SF) as standard. Gen 4 Glocks allow for added back straps to match the trigger reach of folks with longer fingers & bigger hands.

Once upon a time there was a 1911, then came the 1911-A1, decades later came the Combat Commander and a couple of generations later came the Lightweight Combat Commander. Evolution?

Am I reaching you yet?

About your "Hankering", just remember that your trigger finger is the number one control/connection to your sidearm!

The longest of 9mm trigger distances is still shorter than the shortest of trigger distances of the .45 ACP Glocks. Not to mention that the Glock consistent 5 lbs trigger pull is heavier than a 4 lb or less 1911 trigger pull.

Bottom line: be careful what you hanker for, you might have to suffer with it when your dreams come true........(LOL) and it may not be a "Happily Ever After" ending. JMHO.

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

This is also a favorite of mine. PT 809. All the features you want in a "goto war gun" Full ambi controls, loaded chamber indicator, lanyard, bull barrel. 17rd mag. Novac sights. (Love em)Takedown like glock, no trigger pull. Double action, with 2nd,3rd,4th strike. Slickest mag change ive ever seen. Other great features,, that escape me at the moment. Mags are proprietary and a pain/$$ to find, have 5 now. And of course, discontinued, damm you Taurus! Under the old warranty so if it craps out they will probably send me a G3. :-(

 

[M118LR]

This is also a favorite of mine. PT 809. All the features you want in a "goto war gun" Full ambi controls, loaded chamber indicator, lanyard, bull barrel. 17rd mag. Novac sights. (Love em)Takedown like glock, no trigger pull. Double action, with 2nd,3rd,4th strike. Slickest mag change ive ever seen. Other great features,, that escape me at the moment. Mags are proprietary and a pain/$$ to find, have 5 now. And of course, discontinued, damm you Taurus! Under the old warranty so if it craps out they will probably send me a G3. :-(

Do you mind if I have a differing opinion on a "Go To War Sidearm"?

But I'm a bit slow, everyone else entered Southeast Asia armed with a fully automatic assault rifle, (both sides) yet Uncle Sam equipped me only with a WWII MK2 Carbon Steel Knife. So perhaps my view is skewed?

 

[SAWMAN]

Fork that chit . . I bought my own. Traded many of those and the K-Bar's for various items.
The S&W was my own also. --- SAWMAN

 

[Pudge]

Fork that chit . . I bought my own. Traded many of those and the K-Bar's for various items.
The S&W was my own also. --- SAWMAN View attachment 90651

That's a nice Randall and it looks like it's lived a life deserving of such a knife!

 

[SAWMAN]

You aint wrong there sir.
Ohhhhhh . . the stories it could tell !! Opened several 55gal fuel drums with it (and other things).
The Randall people treated us extremely well. They wanted to replace this knife with a new one in 1978. They wanted to add it to their private museum. I actually got a peek inside this museum. Impressive !! I declined their offer.
Now . . SADLY . . Randall has changed somewhat since the old man has gone. Kinda like Hornady,Barnes,Nosler,etc,etc. --- SAWMAN

 

[M118LR]

Well it seems like WWII was the last War when the Armed Forces agreed on any Gov Issued items. Kabar's, S&W .38 Revolvers, and the .45 ACP 1911.

Now for a sidearm to take to War, I believe in the KISS principle. I prefer the longer sight radius of the Full Size 1911, It provides me with a better chance to strike a target at unknown distance. The simplest safety is your trigger finger, keep it off the trigger until needed. Widgets & Gizmos are of no use on a Battlefield, the simplest sidearm that just goes bang every time you squeeze the trigger works best. The more complicated the manual of arms, the greater the chance for failure, either operator error or mechanical. But it appears that none of the Armed Forces can agree on a replacement sidearm for the 1911. Perhaps the 1911 was as close to a universal sidearm "To Take To War" as there ever might be?

 

[5lima30ret]

Goto war,zombies, president joe and any other issues. G17L with light +2 ext for 20 rds of 9mm awesomeness. Plus the extra barrel pushes up the power past .40 cal.

Nice Glock WML!

 

[M118LR]

Nice Glock WML!

As a Sailor you have me at a MOS disadvantage 5L30, would you care to explain?
It's like Common Sailors Lexicon NAC 5320/8202
I'm attempting to understand.

I'll show you mine if you show me yours. (LOL)

 

[5lima30ret]

RebelRider got that Glock WML from me on a trade! It was good for both of us!

 

[M118LR]

RebelRider got that Glock WML from me on a trade! It was good for both of us!

Well the 17L is mementos for early Cal SWAT.
But should I take this as 5L30 is of no relevance, or it's not time to share?

 

[timc]

I own quite a few handguns, but for defensive purposes, I stick to Glock, Sig, and S&W.
Sig 320 series in 9mm. Have a full size and the subcompact
Glock I usually carry a 17 with Tirijicon RMR, and I like the Glock 30s
Usual carry gun is a S&W Shield in 9mm