OPEN CARRY (FIREARMS) IN FLORIDA!?!?!?

[Miami_JBT]

CA Attorney General joins FL in fighting against repeal of the Under-21 Purchase Ban.

Yup, the State of California, along with twenty other anti-gun Attorney Generals has filed amicus briefs to support Florida's Republican Attorney General Ashley Moody to fight against the repeal of the Republican passed gun control after Parkland in 2018. Currently, in the 11th Circuit, the Under-21 Purchase Ban has been appealed for an en banc review after a three-judge panel ruled that the Under-21 Purchase Ban was constitutional under NYSRPA v. Bruen.

At no point as Gov. DeSantis nor has FL AG Moody publicly commented on this case and the law specifically being unconstitutional.

But AG Moody sure likes to crow on Twitter how pro-gun she is.

The fact that you have a Republican AG in a Republican Supermajority State fighting against the repeal of a unconstitutional law, with a Republican Governor staying silent on the issue is deafening.

Attorney General Bonta Calls on Court to Uphold Commonsense Firearm Restrictions for People Under Age 21

SACRAMENTO — California Attorney General Rob Bonta today joined a multistate coalition of attorneys general encouraging the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit, sitting en banc, to affirm a 2021 district court decision rejecting a Second Amendment challenge to a Florida law that...

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Friday, August 30, 2024
Contact: (916) 210-6000, agpressoffice@doj.ca.gov
SACRAMENTO — California Attorney General Rob Bonta today joined a multistate coalition of attorneys general encouraging the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit, sitting en banc, to affirm a 2021 district court decision rejecting a Second Amendment challenge to a Florida law that prohibits any person under the age of 21 from purchasing firearms and prohibits federally licensed firearms dealers from selling firearms to anyone younger than 21. The brief, filed in National Rifle Association v. Commissioner, warns that an opinion of the full court striking down the Florida law could undermine efforts by states to protect their citizens through the application of similar age limitations laws.

“States need the freedom to develop individualized firearms regulations tailored to the specific public safety needs and circumstances in their jurisdictions,” said Attorney General Bonta. “Many states across the nation, including California, impose some age-based restrictions on the possession, purchase, transfer, or use of firearms, reflecting their collective judgment that such laws promote public safety and curb gun violence within their borders. I stand with Florida and other states dedicated to safeguarding commonsense gun laws.”

Plaintiffs challenged Florida’s age limit law on the ground that it unduly infringes upon the Second Amendment rights of individuals aged 18 to 20. But the district court rejected that claim in 2021 based on a historical record that provides abundant evidence of a longstanding tradition of limiting access to firearms for those under age 21. In 2023, a three-judge panel for the Eleventh Circuit assessed the challenge under the new legal framework from the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2022 decision in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, and affirmed the district court’s decision to uphold Florida’s law. The Second Amendment allows governments to enact sensible and varied regulations designed to protect the public as long as those regulations are consistent with the nation’s historical tradition.

These efforts continue the ongoing work of Attorney General Bonta to protect the public from gun violence. Recently, the Attorney General launched a first-in-the-nation Office of Gun Violence Prevention, took legal action against ghost gun retailers, advocated for and defended commonsense gun laws, worked on the ground to keep firearms out of the hands of dangerous individuals, and announced Senate Bill 2 (SB 2), to strengthen California's existing concealed carry weapon (CCW) laws. California’s Assembly Bill 1594 (AB 1594), which was sponsored by Attorney General Bonta and signed into law in July 2022, creates a pathway for Californians who have been harmed by gun violence to hold the appropriate parties — including gun manufacturers and distributors — accountable.

Attorney General Bonta joins the attorneys general of Illinois, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington in filing this amicus brief.

A copy of the brief can be found here.

 

[Themumfordman]

Very wrong on that, plenty of FL LE will harass the hell out of you if your accidently exposed your firearm. In fact, it has happened repeatedly.

I guess partly that depends on your area. Up here in Florabama and specifically Santa Rosa county, our sheriffs are pretty freaking awesome and very realistic. A buddy of mine had an incident where he had to draw to dissuade a would-be domestic violence situation and all the cops cared about was catching the perp.

That said, I appreciate your emphasis and mission, but I do wonder if picking fights with people on a 2A forum who are largely (specifically in my case) on your side about this issue is a wise effort.

 

[Miami_JBT]

I guess partly that depends on your area. Up here in Florabama and specifically Santa Rosa county, our sheriffs are pretty freaking awesome and very realistic. A buddy of mine had an incident where he had to draw to dissuade a would-be domestic violence situation and all the cops cared about was catching the perp.

That said, I appreciate your emphasis and mission, but I do wonder if picking fights with people on a 2A forum who are largely (specifically in my case) on your side about this issue is a wise effort.

You have a case right now in your area where someone is be tried criminally for openly carrying. All because someone decided to exercise their First Amendment rights.

The Panhandle isn't as pro-gun as you think.

 

[Themumfordman]

You have a case right now in your area where someone is be tried criminally for openly carrying. All because someone decided to exercise their First Amendment rights.

The Panhandle isn't as pro-gun as you think.

Again, my point. Open carry isn’t legal, and the full scope of the second amendment should apply everywhere. I didn’t say it WAS legal up here nor that any part of this state has it all correct. My point is your preaching to the choir and picking fights with allies unnecessarily. I’m a GOA, USCCA and FPC member as are many others here. I’d highly recommend keeping the animosity against each other to a minimum.

 

[DustyDog]

You have a case right now in your area where someone is be tried criminally for openly carrying. All because someone decided to exercise their First Amendment rights.

The Panhandle isn't as pro-gun as you think.

Yep... a couple of years ago, when I mentioned at a LGS (in Marianna) the need for the restrictions on open carry to be removed, the guy behind the counter said "Well, if you know the Sheriff, he's not going to bother you." (if you open carry)

Well, I don't "know the Sheriff", so... again: gray areas. What if I "know the Sheriff", but he forgets who I am???

SHOULDN'T MATTER.

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

My .02. The short version.
Nature, still teaching us lessons...

 

[DustyDog]

My .02. The short version.
Nature, still teaching us lessons...
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BINGO!

And hedgehogs rarely get attacked, whereas skunks often do, but if they're lucky they might manage to "squeeze one off" after-the-fact

 

[Miami_JBT]

Again, my point. Open carry isn’t legal, and the full scope of the second amendment should apply everywhere. I didn’t say it WAS legal up here nor that any part of this state has it all correct. My point is your preaching to the choir and picking fights with allies unnecessarily. I’m a GOA, USCCA and FPC member as are many others here. I’d highly recommend keeping the animosity against each other to a minimum.

I'm not picking fights, I'm simply stating facts.

 

[Shootist]

Very wrong on that, plenty of FL LE will harass the hell out of you if your accidently exposed your firearm. In fact, it has happened repeatedly.

Agreed, never underestimate the ability of a LEO to be a totally tyrannical humongous a...hole when a situation presents itself.

 

[Shootist]

I support open carry but not because I would open carry, maybe from the porch to the mailbox and back.
But because depending on how far a LEO wants to push a complaint of someone seeing a "Gun".
I know in the early days of CCW in TN a few people got charged with "brandishing" because someone complained
about seeing someone's gun while a normal activity was occurring, like reaching for something on the top shelf in a store and the cover garment rode up and exposed the gun.
It would just eliminate that kind of hassle.

 

[Miami_JBT]

I support open carry but not because I would open carry, maybe from the porch to the mailbox and back.
But because depending on how far a LEO wants to push a complaint of someone seeing a "Gun".
I know in the early days of CCW in TN a few people got charged with "brandishing" because someone complained
about seeing someone's gun while a normal activity was occurring, like reaching for something on the top shelf in a store and the cover garment rode up and exposed the gun.
It would just eliminate that kind of hassle.

Exactly

 

[epointer]

I guess partly that depends on your area. Up here in Florabama and specifically Santa Rosa county, our sheriffs are pretty freaking awesome and very realistic. A buddy of mine had an incident where he had to draw to dissuade a would-be domestic violence situation and all the cops cared about was catching the perp.

This has been my experience in Escambia as well...

 

[Miami_JBT]

Now in Español.

 

[Miami_JBT]

 

[Fodderwing]

Open carry is just not a hot button issue for most folks.

If Nikki Fried adds open carry to her platform when she runs for Governor again, would that make you vote for her?

 

[Themumfordman]

Open carry is just not a hot button issue for most folks.

If Nikki Fried adds open carry to her platform when she runs for Governor again, would that make you vote for her?

Just open carry no (for me at least), but if a candidate legitimately campaigned on full constitutional carry as well as supporting the rest of the US constitution, I would be super ready to listen. I think open carry is part of the equation from a fundamental rights standpoint, but I want most someone to fight for ALL of our rights and make Florida a truly free state more along the lines of Idaho, Indiana and others.

 

[mrjenkins]

Open carry is just not a hot button issue for most folks.

If Nikki Fried adds open carry to her platform when she runs for Governor again, would that make you vote for her?

I care quite alot about open carry. I want options. So yes. Someone willing to do that would win my vote, depending on their other policies.

 

[Fodderwing]

I care quite alot about open carry. I want options. So yes. Someone willing to do that would win my vote, depending on their other policies.

The question was if Ms. Fried kept all of her 2022 positions but added open carry, would you vote for her as Governor in 2026?

It is a hard no for me on this one.

 

[Fodderwing]

I 100% support letting the politicians know what you do or don't support.

But come election day the choices are the choices, none are likely to be perfect.

Ron has been a lot more good than bad.

The recent state park shivaree was unhelpful to his cause when he runs for future office and will do more political harm than not bird dogging open carry.

 

[Themumfordman]

Generally (as politicians go) I do like Ron as well. I think overall he’s done more good than harm for the state and certainly better than Comrade Inslee where I came from or complete dip-shits like Newsome (not a high bar to beat).

That said, DiSantis was VERY not impressive in the presidential primary, and certainly wasn’t my first choice for president. He’s okay as governor, but long term I’d like to see someone less into sound bites and more gut-level on the issues.

I really hope that we can create enough social shakeup and dissatisfaction with the leftist takeover we’ve been living through that the next generation of Republican governors and leaders lean back in to the fundamentals of what it means to be a republic of free people.