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About 14 shots by an officer to stop a knife wielding attacker


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wildrider666

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While a specific distance may not apply, the basic warning is there. A person with a knife, even if your gun is out must not be allowed to close the distance. What is implicit in the 21 foot rule is that a knife man can rapidly close the distance. In this case the knife man did get very close. The incomplete nature of the footage is not giving all of the details.
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The 21 foot Rule is based on Lt. D. Tueller's study and recognition of close threats. He didn't call it a Rule, he just put the problem and response needed out there. A BG can sprint 21 feet in 1.5 seconds. The Officer (defender) must draw and fire 2 unsighted shots within that 1.5 seconds. Since draw is included: Suprise, Recognition, Shock delay followed by brain initiated motor skill to draw were not limited to a hypothetical 1.5 seconds. With the Dispatchers radio call: She is mentally prepared for a Threat and BG displayed weapons but didn't immediately sprint toward her: as such, that 1.5 seconds was not a limiting factor. If half of the "21 foot Rule" parameters are off the table: its not applicable.

What existed was a "armed sandoff" with an advancing armed Threat. They both exit vehicle at the same time (again watch her door mirror), my guesstimate is 18-22 ft seperation. BG stopped his movement a few times. We don't ignore the fact that 21 feet can be tansitioned very fast but we are drawn, sighted, moving or positioned (barriers+-), evaluating, giving commands and taking appropriate actions. We also know that "two hits" may not stop the Threat. We should know that we can't shoot a BG holding a blade and standing in place at 21+- feet based on that fact alone.

 

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Just watched the video. It appears the first round to hit the perp was when he pushed the officers pistol down. Look as if it hit him in the left groin, hip area. Because he had his hand on top of the officers pistol, when this shot was fired, it malfunctioned. She did a great job of clearing her firearm. Up to this shot, you can see her pistol shooting mostly to the left, some to the right. From the way her pistol was bouncing around in her hand, I'd say she didn't have very good control of it.

Very glad to see her go home and him to the morgue.
 

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Shots are just like a nail in a tire. Tire will go till there is no air pressure. These fools high as a kite and adrenaline rush will go down just like that tire. The time that it takes is unknown.
 

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Shots are just like a nail in a tire. Tire will go till there is no air pressure. These fools high as a kite and adrenaline rush will go down just like that tire. The time that it takes is unknown.
A tire with no nails keeps on rollin.
 

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If you think anyone can take 14 shots to center mass without body armor and keep running, then I have a bridge to sell you...

Not even meth, crack, PCP, and X can get you through that trauma.
 

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How about 21 or 17? You can keep the bridge. Lol


This one is only 17 but two assailants with shotgun and 9mm. Victim got off one shot from a derringer.
 

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If you think anyone can take 14 shots to center mass without body armor and keep running, then I have a bridge to sell you...

Not even meth, crack, PCP, and X can get you through that trauma.
That will kill, but a hopped up person on drugs or just pure adrenaline may continue until the brain shuts down. In say 10 seconds of remaining life another life can be taken.
 

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How about 21 or 17? You can keep the bridge. Lol


This one is only 17 but two assailants with shotgun and 9mm. Victim got off one shot from a derringer.
Not one major organ shot - not 14 rounds to center mass...
 

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Not one major organ shot - not 14 rounds to center mass...
What gets hit does make a difference. For bleeding effect a centered hit on the heart will cause the most drastic drop in blood pressure. A shot through the middle of the spinal cord will drop a mammal on the spot, even if death is so immediate. Whether they survive is not the most pressing issue; whether they stop being a threat is.
 
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