Red dot on carry gun

[FrommerStop]

I don't shoot people for a living.......

Holy Christmas!!!

OP: RDS on a ccw anyone?
Frommer: check this shit out!! I love me some tangents

The point was to how how an RDS could be paired with night vision. This is a skill that might be needed. By the way bright night sights can give away your position if you are waiting in ambush. Under very dark conditions they are enough to backlight you. You can cover the top of the gun until ready to shoot.
LOL,
I do not shoot people for a living either. Gabe Suarez in the photo, an x-cop, at one time did and since he got into a few gunfights I assume did like hunting goblins; they are not people in my definition.

No way would I go into a darkened building without a very good reason hunting for a gang banger. Send in the dogs lol, not me. Now I might wait in an ambush in my home. That is one thing I disagree with in the typical gun games. They go forward to attack the targets. Me I will be going the other way perhaps waiting in ambush with finger on the trigger behind good cover.

 

[G-rat]

The point was to how how an RDS could be paired with night vision. This is a skill that might needed. By the bright night sights can give away your position if you are waiting in ambush. Under very dark conditions they are enough to backlight you. You can cover the top of the gun until ready to shoot.
LOL,
I do not shoot people for a living either. Gabe Suarez in the photo, an x-cop, at one time did and since he got into a few gunfights I assume did like hunting goblins; they are not people in my definition.

No way would I go into a darkened building without a very good reason hunting for a gang banger. Send in the dogs lol, not me. Now I might wait in an ambush in my home. That is one thing I disagree with in the typical gun games. They go forward to attack the targets. Me I will be going the other way perhaps waiting in ambush with finger on the triger behind good cover.

Insurgent tactics are tried and true methods...

 

[Pudge]

I was at first against red dots on a handgun because it initially seemed slower but once learning how to use it, I'm noticeably faster with a higher degree of accuracy.

To me the biggest benefit of red dots is that they allow you to remain target focused. This allows you to take in more information while still placing rounds on target. It is also the way humans have fought for more than 400,000 years.

As stated before, you can use the optic body to still place rounds on target in the off chance your window becomes blocked. And if your in the point and shoot crowd it doesnt matter anyway right?!

Red dots are also easier to use for self diagnosing shooting errors by watching dot movement. Most are against because personally you may have been shooting for 30+ years on irons and now you are trying to learn something new. However with proper practice you will become better and it can actually improve your abilities with iron sights as well.

 

[M60Gunner]

Same with sights, eyes on target and once the front sight covers it you place rounds on target. Less to go wrong. My experience has been filled with Murphy's law, but that's just me.

 

[Little Jack]

I sell these by the way(they aren't all in stock though)

 

[RussSurfs]

I took a class with Charles (Deadly Threat Defense) and we shot from contact distance to 25 yards. We were practicing both speed and accuracy. As stated at very close distance it was draw and shoot - the dot wasn’t required. I feel like I can be much more accurate if required with the dot. If the distance is short I can skip the dot just like irons. If it is longer or I need more precise shot (hit target not by stander). My philosophy on most things is better have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
Finding the dot on the draw took practice and is a perishable skill. In another class with Charles we shot all day in the rain and the dot does get blurry, but was still useable. Put a little Rainex on it and it stays pretty clear. Dots can fail - back up irons are a most on an EDC gun. Just my very unprofessional opinion.

 

[Fng1911]

I took a class with Charles (Deadly Threat Defense) and we shot from contact distance to 25 yards. We were practicing both speed and accuracy. As stated at very close distance it was draw and shoot - the dot wasn’t required. I feel like I can be much more accurate if required with the dot. If the distance is short I can skip the dot just like irons. If it is longer or I need more precise shot (hit target not by stander). My philosophy on most things is better have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
Finding the dot on the draw took practice and is a perishable skill. In another class with Charles we shot all day in the rain and the dot does get blurry, but was still useable. Put a little Rainex on it and it stays pretty clear. Dots can fail - back up irons are a most on an EDC gun. Just my very unprofessional opinion.

Well said! I'm sure you know this. The point and shooting at a close distance is very true, if your using irons or just point and shooting correctly, the dot is there! For the ones saying the dot takes to long, if your aligning your sights correctly then you can shoot a dot correctly or faster. If your defending yourself against multiple attackers, the dot allows for way quicker transitions then irons or a laser. IMO The only type of laser I'll ever use will be an IR laser. Good write up Russ

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

Take a grinder and grind the top smooth and learn to point shoot, that is what will happen in 99 % of all self defence shooting. your distance is going to be 20 feet and under and most likely 5 feet and under and most likely will happen at night and will most likely only happen one time in your life time, And most likely never happen to most of you. You just want to be ready if your number comes up. So this means you practice for that one time. Now if you want to play the shooting games learn to use a dot. This is not just my idea, this is proven, any one that don;t believe this come spend a day with me. Just remember you want be first in any situation, you are going to be second so you have to be better. You aren't going to have time look for that dot day are night more so. So think about this in real time. So buy more ammo and learn to pull the trigger, learn some tactics on survival of a attack.
Start looking a video's of real shooting and watch what happens. Have been there. Just my 5 cents jj

This. Point shooting is where it's at. Practice, practice, practice. They used to teach this in 101 airborne school, my father was aces at it. Also sideways shooting where the recoil carries the gun to the next target. 45/m3.

 

[skyydiver]

Point shooting is great. Taking a grinder to my carry gun (and then refinishing it because this is the gulf coast) just to practice point shooting ain’t gonna happen. Seems like a lot of work when you can point shoot with a stock gun.


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[FrommerStop]

This. Point shooting is where it's at. Practice, practice, practice. They used to teach this in 101 airborne school, my father was aces at it. Also sideways shooting where the recoil carries the gun to the next target. 45/m3.

That used to be the way that a lot of full auto pistol caliber guns were used. Like point blank with a mauser machine pistol. In half a second at bad breath distances I have heard of three armed people getting put down.

 

[Fng1911]

This discussion is almost as bad as talking politics .

 

[JWlineman]

It would be a pretty good discussion if people didn't follow rabbit trails on "why irons are superior to rds"...which they are not.
It would be cool if everyone read the OP again and then read their comments.

 

[SAWMAN]

And what would be the super keewlest of all,is that if most would quit watching the "boob tube" and believeing that is real life. While they are at it,get out from under the sheets at midnight playing those video games.
Put in some time reading and studying some real world (as in the really,really,real world) statistics. Stats of guns used,load used,number of rds expended,lethality of hits on targer, and where,and MOST OF ALL,distances of engaugement.
NOW - -> that would really be kewl. --- SAWMAN

 

[JWlineman]

OP didn't ask for statistics, real world scenarios or what someone carried while night jumping into Vietnam either...but here we are

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[FrommerStop]

Lots of choices.
I have so far not read of any failures with the holosum RDS for pistols. I know of two operating failures for the RMR that included my first one.

 

[SAWMAN]

My sincerest apologies to the OP. --- SAWMAN

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

This discussion is almost as bad as talking politics .

Hang all RMR's!!!

 

[Little Jack]

Daily carry prior to this thread: Pistol, knife, flashlight.

Daily carry after reading: pistol(RDS, light with visible and IR laser, suppressor, extended mag), NODs, spare batteries, flash bang, red/ green/ white smoke, IR smoke(I know a guy), pocket sized cliff's notes version of "Art of War".

 

[Big Shrek]

Leupold just made all slide-cutout optics archaic...
The Delta-Point Micro just ended all that slide chopping BS.

 

[Little Jack]

Points for innovation.

Unfortunately, most seem to be crapping on the form factor, msrp and the small window.

I'm intrigued but not sure it's enough to try one.