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Multi-caliber suppressor
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Dan, that was why my multi tube is titanium so I can use it for powerful handguns and powerful rifles well over the 308 in muzzle pressure. You need to plan a multi tube for use into the future. My Liberty is rated for a 5.56 and a lower pressure 6.5 Grendel, I do not like the low pressure restriction on pressures.
Ed
Little Jack
Master
Is liberty selling separate cores?
Which can? I'm not seeing one with interchangeable guts.
Just looked back through this thread. We had this same conversation 2 years ago. The liberty mystic/cosmic is fine un less you want high power rifle rounds. They took 308 subsonic of the list of compatible rounds.
Liberty puts a big ass list of compatible calibers on their spec sheet to look good but all cans are multi caliber as long as the bullet fits thru the hole and can is rated for the appropriate pressures.
Having a tube and being able to swap out guts remedies some of my concerns but not all of them.
Which can? I'm not seeing one with interchangeable guts.
Just looked back through this thread. We had this same conversation 2 years ago. The liberty mystic/cosmic is fine un less you want high power rifle rounds. They took 308 subsonic of the list of compatible rounds.
Liberty puts a big ass list of compatible calibers on their spec sheet to look good but all cans are multi caliber as long as the bullet fits thru the hole and can is rated for the appropriate pressures.
Having a tube and being able to swap out guts remedies some of my concerns but not all of them.
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The baffles are the suppressor so they don't get swapped out, but the end caps and lids can be. If they gave you two sets of baffles it would require two stamps since tey ATF has ruled that owning a baffle is the same as owning a suppressor. Dumb I know.
Little Jack
Master
Thanks. It seems like some manufacturers have been pushng the limits lately. I wasn't sure if someone had started seeing individual cores.
It would be great if they would. It's a dumb rule since they aren't usable without a tube to house them. A tube with user replaceable lid, end cap, and baffles with different caliber baffles would be the heat.
Little Jack
Master
Amen. Maybe if HPA goes somewhere that could be a reality.
Dan1612
Master
The Dbs on the Hybrid 46 with the proper caps seem to be right on with dedicated cans. It is big and heavy, but not much more than my 308 can and it'll likely stay on a long gun anyway, so the width isn't much of a concern.
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Show me the writing.............. you can not register what is not numbered or described. The tube is registered because it is numbered, described and listed, not a washer. So according to you and your logic a washer is illegal, right........ Do you have any idea how dumb that sounds, go look in the mirror and tell yourself that owning a washer is illegal. Then go by NAPA or ACE and tell them.
No one is getting away with anything or pushing any line or any envelope. As a matter of fact, the move is afoot right now to stop registering suppressors as a NFA item period.
Ed
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It took .91 seconds on google, I may be a dick at times, but I don't say something I can't stand behind. The bold is mine.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firear...-firearms-gun-control-act-definition-silencer
ETA: Would you like me to bring you a mirror?
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FrankT
6.8 SPCII Hog Slayer
unless you are at a public range or post pics or videos no one would know if you had a suppressor or how many. I am betting there are millions of undocumented suppressors out there. They sell the parts for a solvent trap then you drill the holes and it is a suppressor...oil can attachments have been around for 40+ years. Has anyone ever been asked for their stamp or documentation while hunting or at your private range?
wildrider666
Master
It is a dumb rule. A baffle by any other name is still a silencer just the same. Sig lost this case. No tube, no end cap and no reduction in decibels when fired on/off the gun. Judges rule based on "well it could be made into a functional silencer". By that logic any SA firearm could be made into NFA RESTRICTED one also. It is gun grabber mentality to assign guilt to a object when there would need to be deliberate criminal activity to violate a Law. Dumb asses at all levels.
http://www.guns.com/2016/07/25/sig-loses-appeal-in-silencer-case/
http://www.guns.com/2016/07/25/sig-loses-appeal-in-silencer-case/
Pretty sure I originally said it was a dumb rule, but that doesn't make it any less of a rule that is enforceable. I don't care what anyone does as long as it doesn't affect me.
BTW; for those saying it's not enforceable; it was just enforced two and a half months ago and he was set to be sentenced yesterday.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...rs-prison-illegally-making-selling-silencers/
Yep read the article above about solvent traps, a guy is sitting in federal prison over them. I think it's dumb as hell, but currently it's just not worth 10 years in federal pound me in the ass prison to try to bypass a $200 tax no matter how stupid I think the tax might be.
So this is your interpretation of the ATF rules not the ATF agents interpretation of any rule. Now ater being told directly by multiple agents what the rule means, frankly your interpertation does not fly, nor is it even close to accurate.
Ed.
Are you that dense? It's not my interpretation, it's the legal definition and it's what they are prosecuting people for. Call Gemtech tomorrow and ask them to sell you a baffle stack and see what they tell you. Make a baffle stack, I don't care, but playing with stuff you're ignorant of is just dumb.
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DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY*
BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND*FIREARMS*
WASHINGTON, DC 20226*
AUG 23 1999*
901040:GS*
5320/99-0115*
Dear Mr. Bardwell:*
This is in response to your letter of June 28, 1999, regarding the*
repair of a silencer by an individual owner. You ask "whether it*
is lawful for the owner of a lawfully possessed silencer ... to*
repair that silencer himself, by replacing unserialized internal*
components with new components of his own making." You cited the*
replacement of a worn out plastic "wipe" or damaged baffle as an*
example.*
As you are aware, the terms "firearm*silencer" and "firearm*
muffler" mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing*
the report of a portable*firearm, including any combination of*
parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling*
or fabricating a*firearm*silencer or*firearm*muffler, and any part*
intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication. Thus,*
certain internal components, intended only for use in a silencer,*
are silencers as defined.*
If an individual made one of these parts, even for use as a
replacement part, the individual would be making a silencer. Under
the provisions of the National*Firearms*Act, any person must apply
for and receive permission to make a silencer and pay the making
tax for each silencer made. This would require the individual
owner to file an ATF Form 1 application for each silencer part to
be made with the payment of $200.00 for each application prior to
making any replacement part.*
In regard to the two parts in your cited example,*we consider a
baffle to be a silencer, but a wipe, which is usually nothing more*
than a rubber or plastic disc with a hole in it, is generally not*
considered to be a silencer. Thus*an individual owner could
replace a wipe.*
- 2 -*
Mr. Bardwell*
For the replacement of a part or parts that meet the definition of
a silencer, the individual owner would need to arrange for the
transfer of the silencer to a Federal*firearms*licensee who is
qualified to manufacture silencers.*
If you have questions about the classification of other silencer*
components, please provide us with a description of them or should*
any additional information be needed, please contact Gary Schiable*
at (202) 927-8330.*
Sincerely yours,*
[signed]*
Kent M. Cousins*
Chief, National*Firearms*Act Branch
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BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND*FIREARMS*
WASHINGTON, DC 20226*
AUG 23 1999*
901040:GS*
5320/99-0115*
Dear Mr. Bardwell:*
This is in response to your letter of June 28, 1999, regarding the*
repair of a silencer by an individual owner. You ask "whether it*
is lawful for the owner of a lawfully possessed silencer ... to*
repair that silencer himself, by replacing unserialized internal*
components with new components of his own making." You cited the*
replacement of a worn out plastic "wipe" or damaged baffle as an*
example.*
As you are aware, the terms "firearm*silencer" and "firearm*
muffler" mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing*
the report of a portable*firearm, including any combination of*
parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling*
or fabricating a*firearm*silencer or*firearm*muffler, and any part*
intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication. Thus,*
certain internal components, intended only for use in a silencer,*
are silencers as defined.*
If an individual made one of these parts, even for use as a
replacement part, the individual would be making a silencer. Under
the provisions of the National*Firearms*Act, any person must apply
for and receive permission to make a silencer and pay the making
tax for each silencer made. This would require the individual
owner to file an ATF Form 1 application for each silencer part to
be made with the payment of $200.00 for each application prior to
making any replacement part.*
In regard to the two parts in your cited example,*we consider a
baffle to be a silencer, but a wipe, which is usually nothing more*
than a rubber or plastic disc with a hole in it, is generally not*
considered to be a silencer. Thus*an individual owner could
replace a wipe.*
- 2 -*
Mr. Bardwell*
For the replacement of a part or parts that meet the definition of
a silencer, the individual owner would need to arrange for the
transfer of the silencer to a Federal*firearms*licensee who is
qualified to manufacture silencers.*
If you have questions about the classification of other silencer*
components, please provide us with a description of them or should*
any additional information be needed, please contact Gary Schiable*
at (202) 927-8330.*
Sincerely yours,*
[signed]*
Kent M. Cousins*
Chief, National*Firearms*Act Branch
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