What’s the minimum caliber you use for hogs?

[G-rat]

I'm not sure at what speed you're sending that 64 pill. But kinetic energy wise it's awful hard to produce a thousand foot pounds of energy beyond 125 yards with average 5.56. What I'm finding is that the FBI Load only produces 1K ft/lbs at the muzzle?

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Military effective range is NOT the same as Humane Hunting range. The goals (and ft/lbs of energy) are different. 1k for Humane Game & 600 ft/lbs for self defense.

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Its in the info you posted...

Federal 62gr SP

3050

0.228

86

488

 

[Jester896]

how much energy is required for a heart shot through possible shield and bone or a CV shot vs a behind the ear shot in soft tissue...asking for a friend

 

[M118LR]

how much energy is required for a heart shot through possible shield and bone or a CV shot vs a behind the ear shot in soft tissue...asking for a friend

A shot through shield & bone, wouldn't that be a penetration question? Central Nervous System Disruption probably has more to do with Hydro Shock-energy expended? Behind the ear soft tissue is probably more about the diameter of the original projectile caliber?
How much energy is required, isn't that like asking how much runway is behind you? Perhaps what is too little energy to repeatedly perform all 3 tasks within max distance and max animal weight would be a better question? JMHO.

 

[Jester896]

you sure make killin a hog a big project...you are correct it would be a penetration question...the more energy you have the more penetration you will get of said bullet. Instead of worrying about the energy and penetration...just shoot for the soft spot and it will not matter that much

you ever have to stomp a cock roach twice

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

you sure make killin a hog a big project...you are correct it would be a penetration question...the more energy you have the more penetration you will get of said bullet. Instead of worrying about the energy and penetration...just shoot for the soft spot and it will not matter that much

you ever have to stomp a cock roach twice

Hogs are the cow ants of the animal kingdom!!

 

[M118LR]

you sure make killin a hog a big project...you are correct it would be a penetration question...the more energy you have the more penetration you will get of said bullet. Instead of worrying about the energy and penetration...just shoot for the soft spot and it will not matter that much

you ever have to stomp a cock roach twice

Use the NVS inside of 100 yards and XM193 is minimally effective. The Mini-30 7.62 x 39 HP 154 grain Silver Bear & 150 grain 30-30 are much better performers when quick anchoring is required. The 590A1 with attached "Pig Sticker" M-9 Bayonet & slugs for real close work. But the Old M1A works all the way out to 300 yards first time every time like a Timex. So to make things simple, 7.62 x 51 M-80 up to M118LR, no matter how big or small, no matter what angle, 1 foot to 300 yards, it simply works. Even if you run across one of those thousand pound Hog Monsters that occasionally roam wild. LOL.

PS: secondary sidearm, S&W Model 69 L-frame 5 shot .44 mag.

 

[Jester896]

yes... I have used NV and Thermal and keep the 75gr ones we load inside of 200 yards...but I also chase them with dogs and no guns too...so it isn't a problem problem pulling the K-Bar from its rest on my LBH strap and grab one by the back leg to let the air outta it...don't need it weapons mounted. I have seen one go through a 150# hog diagonally at 75-100 yards...make a heck of a hole coming out.

My M1A is too heavy to carry for a hog hunt. We had issues tearing up equipment when using AR10s

I have seen the Hog Monster you speak of....it was as long as the fire break was wide and chest high...I dumped two rounds into the spine over the shoulders from a 7.62x39 @ 50 yds and it didn't slow it down...even saw the dust fly off both times and it ran off...that one was too big to grab the back legs on...now there is a mad Hog in the woods with me close by.

 

[M118LR]

Well along time ago I used to hunt hogs with a dog & a knife, but the dog got to OLD!

SO:
Perhaps a 12 gauge loaded with " Solid Dangerous Game bullets" would have made a better impression on that Hog you angered? (LOL)

Next time take your lariat and toss it around those back legs, (ps better have a tree handy to take a couple wraps around) works well when castrating Boars so they taste better when harvested latter.

Now if weight is beginning to factor into the hunt, perhaps the 16 inch Ruger Scout Rifle in .308 Win would make a decent compromise?

 

[Jester896]

Next time take your lariat and toss it around those back legs,

Nope S&W handcuffs or hobbles are the ticket

 

[Jester896]

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[M118LR]

Nope S&W handcuffs or hobbles are the ticket

It's much easier to hobble and cuff them after you "Choot-em" !!

 

[Raven]

But at what distance and or weight of critter does the 5.56 drop below min kinetic energy for a humane kill?

Need special fragmenting projectiles. Like DRT. Then kinetic don't much matter. Fly like a FMJ and smack that ass like a shotgun

 

[Raven]

you sure make killin a hog a big project...you are correct it would be a penetration question...the more energy you have the more penetration you will get of said bullet. Instead of worrying about the energy and penetration...just shoot for the soft spot and it will not matter that much

you ever have to stomp a cock roach twice

Love 308. Stomps stuff good

 

[Jester896]

It's much easier to hobble and cuff them after you "Choot-em" !!

what would be the purpose of cuffing or hobbling a dead hog

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

Need special fragmenting projectiles. Like DRT. Then kinetic don't much matter. Fly like a FMJ and smack that ass like a shotgun

I think penetration is the goal. Hard cast.

 

[Daezee]

Based upon my limited hog autopsy results, I'd be fine with a .223 as long as the bullets used are designed for big game (as opposed to rapid expanding varmint bullets) so you get nice penetration with expansion.

My hunting kills of 71 hogs:

32 300BLK w/Nosler 125gr BT
1 6.8SPC w/120gr SST
4 6.8 SPC SBR w/Barnes 95gr TTSX
34 300BLK w/Barnes 110gr Blacktip

I shifted from the Nosler 125gr Ballistic Tip to the Barnes 110gr black tips (if the rifle used likes them for accuracy), as the Barnes gave more penetration on boars 150 pounds or heavier (if the shield was hit). On sows it didn't matter which bullet as they both penetrated well.

Example of needing more penetration: 272 pound boar with a thick shield. 8" bbl Blackout with Nosler 125gr BT at a distance of 90-100yd. Upper shoulder shot. At the inner edge of the shield where it met the backstrap, the Nosler shed its jacket. The lead core hit the middle of the spine and stopped, but didn't penetrate into the bone. Luckily it hit the spine with enough force to drop the hog and make its legs not work at least temporarily. As I walked up to it, my mind was going "I swear that hog is looking at me", but I didn't listen. At a foot away he tried to get me, but a shot to the brain stopped that. (I have more experience now and am much more careful + Sawman taught me to be very careful if the hog is upright (not on its side) and the legs are folded under the body.) More penetration would have been helpful. And why did I hit the hog there as I normally don't aim at the shoulder, especially on a larger boar?...My first shot at the standing still boar was at the neck. At my shot he ran, so I shot at him running and hit the spine where I did. Upon cleaning him and trying to figure out what went wrong with the first shot, I found I did hit the neck with the bullet breaking off a top projection of a spinal bone, but it didn't stop/drop him...I would've though the shock of hitting a spinal bone would have done something.

On another boar, shot with the Barnes as it walked directly towards me, the Barnes hit about an inch above the eyes through the forehead, through the brain and skull, traveled along the neck spinal column, and stopped even with the shoulder. It lost its 4 copper petals along the journey of wrecking the neck spinal column. Fine penetration.

One can read into my experience above that something more powerful than the 300 Blackout would be more helpful, but I do fine with the Blackout and like the mild recoil. I hunt suppressed and can hear the bullets hit. I've never lost a hog in which I heard the bullet hit the animal...it's a distinctive "thump/thunk".

Also, since you can see I use a 300 Blackout the most, I've use the Blackout in bbls from 8" to 16". Shorter blackout bbls give less velocity, thus can give less penetration. Based upon my experience, chronograph data, and downrange ballistic calculations, I consider a 7.5"-8" 300 Blackout to be a 100yd hunting gun. A 9"-10" Blackout to be a 150yd hunting gun. A 16" Blackout to be a 200yd hunting gun ("hunting" = deer or hogs). My rule of thumb hunting distances consider bullet expansion (of the bullets I've used) at a distance and trajectory considerations combined with my shooting ability.

I've also killed many trapped hogs. I mostly use 300 Blackout suppressed subsonic 220gr Sierra Match Kings. It keeps the hogs a little more calm than loud booms. They do not expand. You must hit the hog in the central nervous system (brain/spine) to kill them with that bullet. I would never hog hunt with a non expanding subsonic bullet...I'm just not that good to count on 100% CNS hits, let alone deal the very curved trajectory of subsonic. Maybe with a firm shooting position at a known close distance to a feeder, it might be doable to me.

FWIW, Nosler 125gr BT fired from a Blackout don't expand well on coyotes, and a yote can take a couple of shots to drop. Barnes 110gr Black Tips only need one hit to drop the yote.

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

Based upon my limited hog autopsy results, I'd be fine with a .223 as long as the bullets used are designed for big game (as opposed to rapid expanding varmint bullets) so you get nice penetration with expansion.

My hunting kills of 71 hogs:

32 300BLK w/Nosler 125gr BT
1 6.8SPC w/120gr SST
4 6.8 SPC SBR w/Barnes 95gr TTSX
34 300BLK w/Barnes 110gr Blacktip

I shifted from the Nosler 125gr Ballistic Tip to the Barnes 110gr black tips (if the rifle used likes them for accuracy), as the Barnes gave more penetration on boars 150 pounds or heavier (if the shield was hit). On sows it didn't matter which bullet as they both penetrated well.

Example of needing more penetration: 272 pound boar with a thick shield. 8" bbl Blackout with Nosler 125gr BT at a distance of 90-100yd. Upper shoulder shot. At the inner edge of the shield where it met the backstrap, the Nosler shed its jacket. The lead core hit the middle of the spine and stopped, but didn't penetrate into the bone. Luckily it hit the spine with enough force to drop the hog and make its legs not work at least temporarily. As I walked up to it, my mind was going "I swear that hog is looking at me", but I didn't listen. At a foot away he tried to get me, but a shot to the brain stopped that. (I have more experience now and am much more careful + Sawman taught me to be very careful if the hog is upright (not on its side) and the legs are folded under the body.) More penetration would have been helpful. And why did I hit the hog there as I normally don't aim at the shoulder, especially on a larger boar?...My first shot at the standing still boar was at the neck. At my shot he ran, so I shot at him running and hit the spine where I did. Upon cleaning him and trying to figure out what went wrong with the first shot, I found I did hit the neck with the bullet breaking off a top projection of a spinal bone, but it didn't stop/drop him...I would've though the shock of hitting a spinal bone would have done something.

On another boar, shot with the Barnes as it walked directly towards me, the Barnes hit about an inch above the eyes through the forehead, through the brain and skull, traveled along the neck spinal column, and stopped even with the shoulder. It lost its 4 copper petals along the journey of wrecking the neck spinal column. Fine penetration.

One can read into my experience above that something more powerful than the 300 Blackout would be more helpful, but I do fine with the Blackout and like the mild recoil. I hunt suppressed and can hear the bullets hit. I've never lost a hog in which I heard the bullet hit the animal...it's a distinctive "thump/thunk".

Also, since you can see I use a 300 Blackout the most, I've use the Blackout in bbls from 8" to 16". Shorter blackout bbls give less velocity, thus can give less penetration. Based upon my experience, chronograph data, and downrange ballistic calculations, I consider a 7.5"-8" 300 Blackout to be a 100yd hunting gun. A 9"-10" Blackout to be a 150yd hunting gun. A 16" Blackout to be a 200yd hunting gun ("hunting" = deer or hogs). My rule of thumb hunting distances consider bullet expansion (of the bullets I've used) at a distance and trajectory considerations combined with my shooting ability.

I've also killed many trapped hogs. I mostly use 300 Blackout suppressed subsonic 220gr Sierra Match Kings. It keeps the hogs a little more calm than loud booms. They do not expand. You must hit the hog in the central nervous system (brain/spine) to kill them with that bullet. I would never hog hunt with a non expanding subsonic bullet...I'm just not that good to count on 100% CNS hits, let alone deal the very curved trajectory of subsonic. Maybe with a firm shooting position at a known close distance to a feeder, it might be doable to me.

FWIW, Nosler 125gr BT fired from a Blackout don't expand well on coyotes, and a yote can take a couple of shots to drop. Barnes 110gr Black Tips only need one hit to drop the yote.

Was the 6.8 kill with the MDWS barrel I got from you?? 10.5 inch. It's amazingly accurate. Tku. Btw.

 

[Daezee]

Was the 6.8 kill with the MDWS barrel I got from you?? 10.5 inch. It's amazingly accurate. Tku. Btw.

The one 6.8 kill with 120gr SST was with a 16" Wilson bbl...I still have that one...VERY accurate. The 4 6.8 kills with Barnes 95gr were all with the short bbl I sold you.

 

[M118LR]

Sectional density has an effect on penetration. As I noted earlier I use the 150+ grain projectiles for Mini-30 7.62 x 39 hunting. Even though the Commie products don't expand as easily, they will penetrate reliably and expand reliably when bone or thick grizzle plate are involved. The increased sectional density (150+ vice 125) of the 30 cal projectile (deeper penetration) becomes more relevant the closer to the 150 yard maximum of the shot. So for 30-30 class cartridges (300 BLK, 7.62 x 39, etc) I recommend 150 grain projectiles delivering approximately 1K energy (or more) at target distance if the shooter can place the rounds effectively. Many Hogs will outweigh typical deer, and the plate can take a lot of energy out of lower sectional density projectiles reducing penetration even more. I'm not discounting projectile construction, but two projectiles of even exactly the same construction the one with the higher sectional density will penetrate deeper at comparable velocity.
I've found that the common 123 grain 7.62 x 39 wasn't as lethal on Hogs as the 150+ projectiles. Reading Daezee's results, only adds to my own experiences. The goal is not to expect to exceed the limitations of the cartridge selected for the hunt/game. The larger the Hog, the closer the target needs to be insure predictable results when approaching the limits of the cartridge/rifle combo/ shooter skillset involved. JMHO.

 

[Raven]

I think penetration is the goal. Hard cast.

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