CoronaVirus Transmissions

[Zeroed in]

As of midnight, 16 Apr 2020, there were 677,055 confirmed covid-19 cases in the U.S., and there was 34,580 reported deaths.

I do not see the curve, but a steady increase.

 

[skyydiver]

I see a lot of articles conflating "engineered in a lab" and "escaped from a lab". I put my (considerably small amount of) money on escaped, but not engineered. Many labs study viruses but do not create them.I'm not knowledgeable in medicine, but I am in words, and I think making the difference clear is beneficial.

Zeroed, the curve relates to new cases, not to the ever increasing total, I believe.

 

[FrommerStop]

Typical poor presentation of data. Just shows the maximum number cases per state, but not the infection rate per say a 100,000. The more population you have, likely the more cases. Also just shows for the entire state. We for example are likely in NWFL to have a lower infection rate than Miami, fl. With GIS mapping techniques the data can readily be represented more accurately if that matters to the CDC or anyone else.
https://ehsdailyadvisor.blr.com/202...pJobID=1860880227&spReportId=MTg2MDg4MDIyNwS2

 

[FrommerStop]

I see a lot of articles conflating "engineered in a lab" and "escaped from a lab". I put my (considerably small amount of) money on escaped, but not engineered. Many labs study viruses but do not create them.I'm not knowledgeable in medicine, but I am in words, and I think making the difference clear is beneficial.

Zeroed, the curve relates to new cases, not to the ever increasing total, I believe.

Some years ago there was air release of weaponized bacteria in the former USSR that killed people downwind of it. It was so virulent that there was not question of where it originated and was contained immediately.

Sverdlovsk anthrax leak. On 2 April 1979, spores of anthrax were accidentally released from a Soviet military research facility near the city of Sverdlovsk, Russia (now Yekaterinburg). The ensuing outbreak of the disease resulted in approximately 100 deaths, although the exact number of victims remains unknown.

Sverdlovsk anthrax leak - Wikipedia

The Russians were often quite sloppy. They also had a nuclear waste dump get so hot it blew the contents of wastes of the land fill all over the place.

 

[wildrider666]

The Smoking Gun? When the home jurisdiction (China) doesn't want the true source of something revealed they have a great advantage in concealing and destroying evidence and witnesses. This is especially true with the Chicom regime as we have seen many times before. Patient #1 and probably all the medical a Lab Staff "leakers" that have been "disappeared": more then likely gone through the crematorium. We know of arrests for telling the truth, what makes a person recant their story while in Gov custody? China restricted than deported Reporters who wrote stories about WuFlu/China. We've seen the propaganda and disinformation and China's censorship of words and stories on the issue (China's gov has total control of the internet/Web within its territories). China is also trying to create a diversion: they are actively attacking Christianity "again", arresting/threatning pastors/worshipers and removing Crosses from Church tops (70 so far) that have been in place for a long time. China's gov would rather the world focus on human Rights and not The source and responsibility for WuFlu.

Engineered or Natural, Escaped OR Deliberately released?

If we take China's initial Statements at face value and they believed the virus was not "human to human transferable" they could believe their own faulty research and have had less/lower handling Protocols in place.

China is just a big North Korea without a child mentality in charge and with nukes. China is only "open" to the extent necessary to feed their greed for money to support it's military ambitions and establish China as a top World Power. The only thing lacking at present is the ability for Global Military Force Projection; they have a bug to accomplish that now.

Iran also has the Bug. Release a prisoner, deport a dissident or jihadist: give the "Bug" the day the leave. Who are those persons going to be interviewed by? Who will they pass the Bug to? 100% deniability because the Bug is already out and about.

 

[Zeroed in]

Skydiver,
I understand "new cases", so when do you stop counting new cases?
Here's the numbers.
Aren't they (Steady) New Cases....?
Confirmed U.S. cases as of;
07 Apr. 2020; 399,929
08Apr2020, 432,000+
09Apr2020, 466,299
13 Apr 2020, 587,815
14 Apr 2020, 609,685
15 Apr 2020, 644,823
16 Apr 2020, 677,055

I see NO Decline in the numbers, so where's the Plateau ?

 

[skyydiver]

Using those numbers off confirmed cases, and doing the math in my head, I see a pretty flat 30-35k new cases per day there. A plateau is flat on top. That’s all I was getting at. Plus “recoveries” don’t seem to be subtracted because they were once confirmed and it’s hard to define them.


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[Raven]

Interesting "documentary" on the subject of the virus originating in Wuhaun and the involvement of the Chinese Gov't. It is very informative and seems to be authoritative. I believe that it is 40mins long and if you have the time to sit through it it is worth it.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/coronavirusfilm

Informative and authoritative propaganda. The lab was in China, sure, but it was functioning with American grant money.

 

[wildrider666]

Chile classifies WuFlu DEAD as "Recovered". " Following the recommendations of European Experts".

Chile counts people who have died from coronavirus as ‘recovered’ because they can’t infect anyone else

Health officials in Chile raised some eyebrows this week when they revealed that the country’s coronavirus death toll tally might be inaccurate because it includes people who have recovered.

www.foxnews.com

A very stupid reasoning because until the body is properly disposed of there is still a contamination risk and "Recovered" just means the person is not symptomatic anymore and False Negative Test results are common.

 

[wildrider666]

Check your feet, can't hurt.

Researchers discover new coronavirus symptoms: feet lesions

COVID-19, the disease that has caused the coronavirus pandemic, is a respiratory illness that has symptoms that can include fatigue, a persistent cough and fevers. However, researchers in Spain believe they have discovered another symptom —lesions on feet.

www.foxnews.com

Increase in "Second Postives" after Recovery increase but may be lower impact.

South Korea seeing rise in patients who test positive for coronavirus a second time

South Korea says it's continuing to see a rise in patients who test positive for the coronavirus for a second time after being diagnosed as recovered. However, the risk of transmissions from such cases so far appears to be low.]

www.foxnews.com

 

[Bay Ranger]

The above is put out by the Epoch Times. They seem so to say to have a dog in fight or in other words are not neutral relative to red china (PRC). Still might be right or they could wrong. Just do not know.
The evidence from some reputable scientific sources like peered reviewed scientific articles show a chinese governmental release to be possible. Basically we have forensically the recovered virus, fired bullets, and the bats that the parent virus likely originated in. We do not have a proven release site or gun, just some a possible one. We do not know for a fact it was engineered in a lab.
So I and a lot of other people suspect a release from a chinese lab, no one can prove it.
Wiki that of course is suspect in some ways say this about Epoch Times
I asked a friend that still does research that involves micro-organisms and his response was he did not know.

Agree, Epoch Times certainly has a "dog in this fight". They are a disadent site with people critical of the communist regime. But, with the tight controll of the general population how else is some form of the truth ever going to get out? At this point I put more creedence in info from Epoch than any other government source.

I wonder if the intellegence community really knows the the truth of the source of the virus and just doesn't want to release the info to the general public?

 

[FrommerStop]

FrommerStop said:


The above is put out by the Epoch Times. They seem so to say to have a dog in fight or in other words are not neutral relative to red china (PRC). Still might be right or they could wrong. Just do not know.
The evidence from some reputable scientific sources like peered reviewed scientific articles show a chinese governmental release to be possible. Basically we have forensically the recovered virus, fired bullets, and the bats that the parent virus likely originated in. We do not have a proven release site or gun, just some a possible one. We do not know for a fact it was engineered in a lab.
So I and a lot of other people suspect a release from a chinese lab, no one can prove it.
Wiki that of course is suspect in some ways say this about Epoch Times
I asked a friend that still does research that involves micro-organisms and his response was he did not know.

Agree, Epoch Times certainly has a "dog in this fight". They are a disadent site with people critical of the communist regime. But, with the tight controll of the general population how else is some form of the truth ever going to get out? At this point I put more creedence in info from Epoch than any other government source.

I wonder if the intellegence community really knows the the truth of the source of the virus and just doesn't want to release the info to the general public?

The truth. Seems that many have their version of the truth.
The Government of the PRC (Red China) does control what information leaves the country vs a dissident group that wants to bring down the PRC. The problem I see with Epoch Times is they likely do not have any better access to what is going on in China than do the major new sources.

The CIA certainly has some information and likely an analysis of what happened. Not likely they will be sharing it directly with the public.
We do know the covid 19 first infected Wuhan and then other parts of China and spread to the rest of world. How it got into people is not proven. The PRC says it was from a market and others suspect a release from a Chinese research facility. I suspect an accidental release.

 

[FLT]

China in charge , with out firing a shot . Thats scary for sure ————————-

 

[FrommerStop]

China in charge , with out firing a shot . Thats scary for sure ————————-

What are they in charge of? They have had to have lost money when they locked down their own coutry and their customers are not buying as much from them. So their main benefit that I can see is they were hurt less than the rest of world maybe. That being if the USA is weaker economically, so that maybe makes the PRC stronger.

 

[wildrider666]

Interesting "documentary" on the subject of the virus originating in Wuhaun and the involvement of the Chinese Gov't. It is very informative and seems to be authoritative. I believe that it is 40mins long and if you have the time to sit through it it is worth it.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/coronavirusfilm

I finally watched the vid. I had drawn my own conclusions from available info before that. The video reinforce and expanded them. Some may say there's anti Chicom bias (I think they are referring to general comments at the end) but those biases ((truths) are well supported by past and present Chicom actions that are thoroughly and widely documented.

All the key facts come from Chinese scientific and medical experts in the field and focus on the Lead Lab Researcher! Her own trail of published research papers and formal scientific presentation drop it right back in her lap. She and China were warned about what they were doing by the International Scientific Community and Governments, especially for "developing cross species infection"! There is acknowledgment of "synthesizing a Virus". Part bat corona, part SARS2 and part HIV. The HIV Component (just like the AIDS Virus) is what allows easy transmission of the WuFlu to into human cells (a key that opens the cells immunity protection lock). Patient ZERO ID'ed as Lab Technician that the Chicom gov has gone to gerat lengths to eliminate her records and photos, just one of many efforts to erase the tracking trail, denial of information, disinformation and propaganda.

I don't think that anyone has not been affected by WuFlu to some degree and many severely. That being the case, you should have a clear understanding of well documented facts of how this Virus wzs brought into your lives. You can watch the video and be informed or watch the News general talking points, govs say this and China says that.

My sincere thanks to Bay Ranger for finding and Posting this information.


Do you want to see what's been going on in China from the peoples side? I can't vouch for the translations but they do mirror the actions viewed. Snatching people from their home for Postings, LE or gov agents stealing supplies, Red Cross donated supplies "ForSale", body bagging live patients, Gov control of information, hospital conditions and so on.

Coronavirus Live Archive

Our intention with this channel is to leave a record of first-hand Chinese social media pertaining to the Wuhan Coronavirus of 2020. The videos provided are ...

m.youtube.com

 

[FrommerStop]

I finally watched the vid. I had drawn my own conclusions from available info before that. The video reinforce and expanded them. Some may say there's anti Chicom bias (I think they are referring to general comments at the end) but those biases ((truths) are well supported by past and present Chicom actions that are thoroughly and widely documented.

All the key facts come from Chinese scientific and medical experts in the field and focus on the Lead Lab Researcher! Her own trail of published research papers and formal scientific presentation drop it right back in her lap. She and China were warned about what they were doing by the International Scientific Community and Governments, especially for "developing cross species infection"! There is acknowledgment of "synthesizing a Virus". Part bat corona, part SARS2 and part HIV. The HIV Component (just like the AIDS Virus) is what allows easy transmission of the WuFlu to into human cells (a key that opens the cells immunity protection lock). Patient ZERO ID'ed as Lab Technician that the Chicom gov has gone to gerat lengths to eliminate her records and photos, just one of many efforts to erase the tracking trail, denial of information, disinformation and propaganda.

I don't think that anyone has not been affected by WuFlu to some degree and many severely. That being the case, you should have a clear understanding of well documented facts of how this Virus wzs brought into your lives. You can watch the video and be informed or watch the News general talking points, govs say this and China says that.

My sincere thanks to Bay Ranger for finding and Posting this information.


Do you want to see what's been going on in China from the peoples side? I can't vouch for the translations but they do mirror the actions viewed. Snatching people from their home for Postings, LE or gov agents stealing supplies, Red Cross donated supplies "ForSale", body bagging live patients, Gov control of information, hospital conditions and so on.

Coronavirus Live Archive

Our intention with this channel is to leave a record of first-hand Chinese social media pertaining to the Wuhan Coronavirus of 2020. The videos provided are ...

m.youtube.com

People are trying HIV medications for the covid 19 illness. I have not heard of it having an HIV sequence incorporated in it. If that is true, then it for sure came from a laboratory. I will look around for a peer reviewed paper from a reliable journal.

 

[Bay Ranger]

This whole Coronavirus thing is interesting to me. I found another source that saidt the final version of the trade bill was negotiated between the U.S. and China (recall the tariff back and forth between the U.S. and China last year) on Dec 15, 2019. Six weeks later the bill was signed but that the Chinese had an out clause that stated the if there was an "act of God" (I also find it interesting that a communist country would even acknowledge there being a God) event or "pandemic" that the trade levels that were agreed upon would voided. Hmmmm.

Then, on Mar 11 the WHO declares COVID19 a pandemic. The author contends that the Chinese knew as early as Nov, 2019 that they had a very serious pandemic on their hands and suppressed the info until the clause was inserted into the bill and signed giving them an out! Essentially, they allowed the virus to be exported around the world and are responsible for the scale of the epidemic that we see today. The death toll and economic havoc is on their hands.

It seems like a lot of information is coming to light about what the Chinese did and what they knew about this virus. Now, what is the world going to do about it?

 

[Bay Ranger]

People are trying HIV medications for the covid 19 illness. I have not heard of it having an HIV sequence incorporated in it. If that is true, then it for sure came from a laboratory. I will look around for a peer reviewed paper from a reliable journal.

Watch the vid. They cite many of the technical papers.

 

[FrommerStop]

Watch the vid. They cite many of the technical papers.

I would have to go look those papers up and I specifically want to see where in the sequence there is HIV related RNA. Remember these viruses are RNA and not of DNA. Anyone that has an ax to grind or better to swing at their enemies, I need to carefully check the evidence relative to any extraordinary claims. i am not disputing HIV RNA bases, but saying I have not yet seen the proof. Frankly I am not at this point going to spend the hours it would take to track down what they are saying. If there is truly HIV sequences inserted in that virus there will a lot of discussion about it in more credible sources. HIV presence = engineered virus.

 

[FrommerStop]

This source is claiming it is not engineered.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
Below is their proof and to honest I would need to spend likely the better part of a week to verify what they are concluding since I am not really well informed about this type of research.

The novel SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus that emerged in the city of Wuhan, China, last year and has since caused a large scale COVID-19 epidemic and spread to more than 70 other countries is the product of natural evolution, according to findings published today in the journal Nature Medicine.


The analysis of public genome sequence data from SARS-CoV-2 and related viruses found no evidence that the virus was made in a laboratory or otherwise engineered.
"By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes," said Kristian Andersen, PhD, an associate professor of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research and corresponding author on the paper.

What still raises a little doubt is that they found no evidence, but do not say absolutely was not engineered in a lab.
there is no mention of HIV. It could be that they and all of the other scientists got this wrong.