What Happens When Shoplifting is Legalized

[M60Gunner]

San Francisco Law Legalizing Shoplifting Forces Closure of Small Stores Leaving Residents Without

A law in San Francisco that legalizes shoplifting up to $950 has caused the closure of stores all across downtown. ⋆ Flag And Cross

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[pcolagunner]

San Francisco Law Legalizing Shoplifting Forces Closure of Small Stores Leaving Residents Without

A law in San Francisco that legalizes shoplifting up to $950 has caused the closure of stores all across downtown. ⋆ Flag And Cross

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This boggles the mind!!!

 

[G-rat]

Tons of businesses have closed up. Those that could, moved employees to other stores. Majority are just gone outta business. I left the bay area in 2004 and haven't a single regret to report. It was beginning to circle the toilet bowl then, but looks like the flush is now finished... sad to see such a proud, beautiful city tirn into an absolute cesspool of homeless camps that are riddled with crimes, rampant drug use and literally shit, actual human feces everywhere.

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

More...

San Francisco’s Shoplifting Surge (Published 2021)

Friday: The mundane crime of shoplifting has spun out of control in San Francisco, forcing some chain stores to close.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Snake-Eyes]

So, if it's legal to steal $950, then it should be legal to "steal it back". Security guards with itchy trigger fingers and Negan baseball bats should solve the issue.

 

[War-Buff]

I'm not defending SF in any way, but from what I read, shoplifting was not made legal, just downgraded to a minor misdemeanor with little enforcement.

Proposition 47: The Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act - criminal_justice

Theft Offenses​

Proposition 4 7 created new misdemeanors and reclassified several felony theft offenses as misdemeanors. The new misdemeanor provisions do not apply to persons with one or more prior convictions for offenses under Penal Code section 667(e)(2)(C)(iv) or for sex offenses that require registration under Penal Code section 290(c). The new provisions include:

• Shoplifting. The proposition added Penal Code section 459.5 to create a new misdemeanor offense called "shoplifting," punishable by up to 6 months in county jail. Shoplifting would be defined as "entering a commercial establishment with intent to commit larceny while that establishment is open during regular business hours" where the value of the property does not exceed $950. Any other entry into a commercial establishment with intent to commit larceny is burglary. Any act of shoplifting as defined above must be charged as shoplifting. No person charged with shoplifting may also be charged with burglary or theft of the same property.

 

[FrommerStop]

I'm not defending SF in any way, but from what I read, shoplifting was not made legal, just downgraded to a minor misdemeanor with little enforcement.

Proposition 47: The Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act - criminal_justice

Theft Offenses​

Proposition 4 7 created new misdemeanors and reclassified several felony theft offenses as misdemeanors. The new misdemeanor provisions do not apply to persons with one or more prior convictions for offenses under Penal Code section 667(e)(2)(C)(iv) or for sex offenses that require registration under Penal Code section 290(c). The new provisions include:

• Shoplifting. The proposition added Penal Code section 459.5 to create a new misdemeanor offense called "shoplifting," punishable by up to 6 months in county jail. Shoplifting would be defined as "entering a commercial establishment with intent to commit larceny while that establishment is open during regular business hours" where the value of the property does not exceed $950. Any other entry into a commercial establishment with intent to commit larceny is burglary. Any act of shoplifting as defined above must be charged as shoplifting. No person charged with shoplifting may also be charged with burglary or theft of the same property.

I see you can still can get up to six month for it

''"shoplifting," punishable by up to 6 months in county jail.''

 

[5lima30ret]

"You can't fix stupid!"

 

[stage20]

People have posted that half of Walgreens is being stolen and sold at an outdoor market right down the street.

This is ridiculous. People wanting Walgreens to stay open and lose money so they benefit by having a store on the corner. Business doesn't work like that. If it's not profitable no reason to stay open. Can't get any dumber than that. They even started a petition demanding they stay open.

 

[FrommerStop]

People have posted that half of Walgreens is being stolen and sold at an outdoor market right down the street.

This is ridiculous. People wanting Walgreens to stay open and lose money so they benefit by having a store on the corner. Business doesn't work like that. If it's not profitable no reason to stay open. Can't get any dumber than that. They even started a petition demanding they stay open.

When I was a student I did work on the west side of Chicago after the King Riots. All of the businesses had been looted and many burned. Most business that reopened closed at five PM due to danger. Imagine if just to go to a supermarket you would have to travel some miles to do so.
Businesses and services such as banks were all gone.
Now in 2020 in long beach Ca the Crips:
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Long Beach Crips Gang runs Antifa/BLM looters out of their neighborhood''​

 

[no woryz]

not too new, a little reading indicates this Prop 47 was put on ballot and passed by voters in November of 2014....

 

[stage20]

Don't forget about all the homeless people that use the sidewalk as a toilet. It's bad out there.

 

[panxerox]

San Francisco Law Legalizing Shoplifting Forces Closure of Small Stores Leaving Residents Without

A law in San Francisco that legalizes shoplifting up to $950 has caused the closure of stores all across downtown. ⋆ Flag And Cross

flagandcross.com

Really!? you must have "intent to shoplift"? So this is just a get out of jail free card, just say the moment moved me to snag some merch officer ! I din do nuffin on purpose, dem snikers just looked so tasty I couldn't restrain myself !

 

[wildrider666]

"Intent" regarding shoplifting: did a person just miss an item on checkout somewhere in/under basket/large items or was the frozen turkey held by pantyhose under the dress?

 

[rviray]

If it was me, the "In Store" price is the price I put on the item while it is "In The Store". Once it leaves the store without a receipt there is "Out Of Store" Price of $10000, across the board.

 

[FrommerStop]

If it was me, the "In Store" price is the price I put on the item while it is "In The Store". Once it leaves the store without a receipt there is "Out Of Store" Price of $10000, across the board.

LOL Good luck in collecting it.

 

[rviray]

The cops can stop them now, since it's a $10,000 pack of tic-tacks, without the receipt ...letter of the law.

 

[FrommerStop]

The cops can stop them now, since it's a $10,000 pack of tic-tacks, without the receipt ...letter of the law.

LOL, that that would not work in court, also the issue of falsifying a police report.

 

[rviray]

In the real world, yes, it shouldn't work like that. But obviously, in California, it's not the real world. So, my idea would be as dumb as the "Shop lifting is A-Ok, as long as it's less than $950"

 

[candipogo]

I'm not defending SF in any way, but from what I read, shoplifting was not made legal, just downgraded to a minor misdemeanor with little enforcement.

Proposition 47: The Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act - criminal_justice

Theft Offenses​

Proposition 4 7 created new misdemeanors and reclassified several felony theft offenses as misdemeanors. The new misdemeanor provisions do not apply to persons with one or more prior convictions for offenses under Penal Code section 667(e)(2)(C)(iv) or for sex offenses that require registration under Penal Code section 290(c). The new provisions include:

• Shoplifting. The proposition added Penal Code section 459.5 to create a new misdemeanor offense called "shoplifting," punishable by up to 6 months in county jail. Shoplifting would be defined as "entering a commercial establishment with intent to commit larceny while that establishment is open during regular business hours" where the value of the property does not exceed $950. Any other entry into a commercial establishment with intent to commit larceny is burglary. Any act of shoplifting as defined above must be charged as shoplifting. No person charged with shoplifting may also be charged with burglary or theft of the same property.

Sad