New Gun Regulations introduced by DOJ... "Redefining definition of a Firearm"...

[FrommerStop]

The 30 days are just about up on Biden's executive actions ordering the DOJ to come with rules on 80% frames and receivers. Here is a summary of what is known so far. It will take a little longer for all of the details to come out.
In this video, we discuss how the DOJ & ATF are redefining what a "firearm" is... This is all to chase "Ghost Guns". Let's discuss people!

 

[stage20]

I can see their side. It's a way to get a firearm if you are a felon. Those people don't need guns, check. That's what they are rooting for. All these murders will stop or be able to be traced back to perp and convicted.

The reality is it just hurts everyone else and won't stop crime.

Laws/rules...whatever you want to label them are not going to affect the criminals.

 

[IronBeard]

^^^^ What stage20 said. Punishing the law abiding/mentally sound is not the way to unity on this matter. In fact continuing down that road is likely to create a situation where talk and legislation are no longer options. We're pretty close, IMO. I can say for certain, I have no interest in hearing about or discussing any more compromises. I'd rather have it forced on me than play along.....

 

[wildrider666]

I'm going to avoid all the speculation, mine is as good as anyone else's. We've known for awhile that the "firearm" definition fails when applied to firearms with split upper and lower receivers and even semi-auto pistols w/o a barrel fixed on the frame. Sig serialized the "upper" on their 556 rifles and P556 pistols!

Hell, there's still thousands of functional and unseralized firearms in circulation from before the feds making it mandatory and because those prior numbers were actually factory inventory control numbers that did not require single useage there's duplicate numbers too.

They can't make home builds illegal, but they could require builders to put their name a a identifying number/marking on it AND report it manufacture via A FFL/NICS connection. Yeah, overeach but they can because of the Commerce Act. Maybe call them "preformed 80% receivers"? I've never bothered with 80% receivers because it easier to buy an un-connected/non traceble/none of the govs damn business what I own firearm: when you don't play Bill of Sale games and Universal background checks don't apply here yet.

A known fact and as said by everybody but gungrabbers: gun laws are only followed by law abiding citizens not criminals. College and pro football players seem to get sweatheart deals from prosecutors/judges too. How does a loaded handgun in a car become burglary tools?

Steelers' Justin Layne reaches plea deal in Ohio felony gun charge case

Pittsburgh Steelers cornerback Justin Layne reached a plea deal Wednesday regarding his arrest in Ohio last month where police found a loaded gun in his car during a traffic stop.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

If they would actually enforce the "laws" they have now, that would be a step in the right direction. This is just about puppets appeasing their handlers, ($$$) nothing more.

 

[lil'skeet]

The Problem is the laws need enforcing on our politicians. They are the biggest criminals right now. They get away with everything and somehow get a good part of American citizens to stay preoccupied on covid, blm demands, or something else that is just made-up bullshit. All the while they are killing America.
Hillary/ bengazi? Nothing. Fast & furious? Nothing. I can do this all day and not get to our current crimes.

 

[PaulT]

If they would actually enforce the "laws" they have now, that would be a step in the right direction. This is just about puppets appeasing their handlers, ($$$) nothing more.

FACT

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

The Problem is the laws need enforcing on our politicians. They are the biggest criminals right now. They get away with everything and somehow get a good part of American citizens to stay preoccupied on covid, blm demands, or something else that is just made-up bullshit. All the while they are killing America.
Hillary/ bengazi? Nothing. Fast & furious? Nothing. I can do this all day and not get to our current crimes.

Yep, and thats just the things we know about.....

 

[FrommerStop]

Comments:
I will send my objections to the us government over these new proposed regulations as soon as I see a good link for making comments. There is a commentary period and the more negative comments against the rules, the better it is for us. Do not send them profane or obscene messages since that gives them an excuse to delete it so it does not count against the proposed new rules.

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

More nonsense. Looks like they are angling toward uppers being serialized too. A boon for dealers 2x transfer fee for one weapon.

Biden Justice Dept Issues 115-pages of Proposed New Firearm Definitions :: Guns.com

The federal definitions for “firearm frame or receiver,” “firearm,” “gunsmith,” “complete weapon,” “complete muffler or silencer device,” “privately made firearm,” and “readily” are set to change under a proposed new rule.

www.guns.com

 

[FrommerStop]

More nonsense. Looks like they are angling toward uppers being serialized too. A boon for dealers 2x transfer fee for one weapon.

Biden Justice Dept Issues 115-pages of Proposed New Firearm Definitions :: Guns.com

The federal definitions for “firearm frame or receiver,” “firearm,” “gunsmith,” “complete weapon,” “complete muffler or silencer device,” “privately made firearm,” and “readily” are set to change under a proposed new rule.

www.guns.com

I am concerned the uppers might require a serial number and hope there will not be bans on switching one upper to a different lower. Well if you already have an upper or two, then I guess you can still buy barrels etc and build your own upper.
Imagine a gun with two separate 4473s. I need to research this further.

 

[Snake-Eyes]

^^^^ What stage20 said. Punishing the law abiding/mentally sound is not the way to unity on this matter. In fact continuing down that road is likely to create a situation where talk and legislation are no longer options. We're pretty close, IMO. I can say for certain, I have no interest in hearing about or discussing any more compromises. I'd rather have it forced on me than play along.....

Puppet-in-Chief,

"Shall not be infringed", fornicator of matriarchs.
English. Do you speak it?

Write your treasonous rules on toilet paper because that's what the new "laws" will be best suited for: wiping your ass with them. That's what we'll deem them worthy of...

Not laughing,

We The People

 

[FrommerStop]

Puppet-in-Chief,

"Shall not be infringed", fornicator of matriarchs.
English. Do you speak it?

Write your treasonous rules on toilet paper because that's what the new "laws" will be best suited for: wiping your ass with them. That's what we'll deem them worthy of...

Not laughing,

We The People

The proposed rules seem to be so convoluted that last I heard the progun people were still working on reading them through to figure out what they were.
All that you say is true, but a law is only of importance if it can be enforced. We will have to see how this all works out.
We decided that that the british tax laws were invalid and then fought a long drawn out war to show that the will of england could not be enforced. Hopefully things never get that point here between DC and the people.
First there is a comment period that last I heard has not started.
Then there may be court challenges.
Then if DC prevails we do not know what will be happening.

 

[stage20]

Serial on uppers is bad, not being able to switch out uppers would be a big game changer.
I don't think they can pull that off.

 

[Snake-Eyes]

ALL of it is bad. Period.

"Common sense"... "if it saves one kid"... "who needs a"...

ANY infringements make the ENTIRE proposed rule/law a Non-Starter. PERIOD.

If these traitorous SOBs have such a hard-on for making more laws:
-how about a law against writing Unconstitutional laws?
-how about some kind of consequences for legislators who voted for an Unconstitutional law once the SCOTUS rules it Unconstitutional?
-how about a law against creating a law that says/does the same thing that a previous law already says/does?
-how about a law against creating a law that says/does something exactly opposite of an existing law if it doesn't SPECIFICALLY CITE and remove/revoke/undo that previous law?
-how about a law against creating a law longer than 20 pages?

Puppet-in-Chief and his idiot followers would be wise to put their pens and pencils down. The test is over. There is no extra credit. They failed. We The People aren't going to read anymore of their blathering drivel.

 

[FrommerStop]

Glock Wins Major Lawsuit That Will Affect Biden Gun Control​

This court decision will help to uphold the legal basis behind the: The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a United States law which protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products.

 

[oldblue]

Wait till you get to page 66 Executive order 12986, Civil Justice Reform, Regulatory Flexibility Act. Read on ("IRFA").

 

[Snake-Eyes]

Wait till you get to page 66 Executive order 12986, Civil Justice Reform, Regulatory Flexibility Act. Read on ("IRFA").

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Cursory search found no matches. Not gonna waste more time, so I'll just ask you to post a link to a .gov site with the applicable EO, please.