Earlier than a 10.Revolver looks like a model 10
Getting better info and pics possibly todayThere are no marking on any of them? That’s hard to believe
Don't think either rifles have been fired very much and I know they've been sitting in case in closet for sometime.On the model 70 , if you have a 30-06 case , see if it will chamber , as that was what a 30-06 was referred to in the early 1940's. But both rifles look to be not that old.