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    This claims specifically there is no HIV and again I would have to read carefully to be sure.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7033698/

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    Infection from an emerging pathogenic coronavirus was first reported in December 2019 in China. It has now affected over 42,000 people and caused over 1,000 deaths in 25 countries (https://2019ncov.Chinacdc.Cn/2019-Ncov). The complete genome of this new virus was quickly sequenced and made public on January 12, only about 2 weeks after the disease was first observed [4]. It was named as 2019-nCoV the following day by the World Health Organization (WHO). Phylogenetic analysis shows that 2019-nCoV is a new member of coronaviruses that infect humans. It is genetically homogenous but distinct from coronaviruses that cause SARS and MERS [5,6]. However, it shares a high level of genetic similarity (96.3%) with a bat coronavirus RaTG13 which was obtained from bat in Yunnan in 2013, suggesting that RaTG13-like viruses are most likely the reservoir, but not the immediate sources of the current 2019-nCoV viruses [7].

    Lack of the definite origin of 2019-nCoV has led to speculation that 2019-nCoV might be derived from genetic manipulation or even for the purpose of use as a bioweapon. This notion has been fully debunked in the media. A recent informally presented report, however, showed that 2019-nCoV had four insertions in the spike glycoprotein gene that is critical for the virus to enter the target cells when compared to other coronaviruses [8]. It was claimed that these inserts were either identical or similar to the motifs in the highly variable (V) regions (V1, V4 and V5) in the envelope glycoprotein or in the Gag protein of some unique HIV-1 strains from three different countries (Thailand, Kenya and India). Together with the structure modelling analysis, the authors speculated that these motif insertions sharing similarity with HIV-1 proteins could provide an enhanced affinity towards host cell receptors and increase the range of host cells of 2019-nCoV. This study implies that 2019-nCoV might be generated by gaining gene fragments from the HIV-1 genome.

    Current report conducted careful examination of the sequences of 2019-nCoV, other CoV viruses and HIV-1 as well as GenBank database. Our results demonstrated no evidence that the sequences of these four inserts are HIV-1 specific or the 2019-nCoV viruses obtain these insertions from HIV-1. First, the results of blast search of these motifs against GenBank shows that the top 100 identical or highly homologous hits are all from host genes of mammalian, insects, bacterial and others. There are only a few hits on coronaviruses, but none of them are HIV-1 related. Blast against viral sequence database also showed these insertion sequences widely exist in all kinds of viruses from bacteriophage, influenza, to giant eukaryotic viruses (Table 1). More hits were found for coronaviruses and a few also hit on HIV-1 sequences than the search against the entire database (Table 1). However, while the 100% match between the insertion 1 and 2 sequences and the HIV sequences were found in 19 entries, the matches between the insertion 3 and 4 sequences and HIV-1 sequences were rather poor (from 42% to 88%). Moreover, the insertion 4 sequence ambiguously hit multiple different genes (gag, pol and env) in the HIV-1 genome, suggesting that similarities (as low as 42%) between them are too low to be reliable. Search these four insertion sequences against HIV-1 Sequence Database (https://www.hiv.lanl.gov/components/sequence/HIV/search/search.html) yielded similar results. Sequences that completely match the insertion 3 and 4 sequences were not found in any HIV-1 sequences. This clearly shows that these insertioin sequences are widely present in living organisms including viruses, but not HIV-1 specific. All these regions in HIV-1 envelope glycoprotein are highly variable with many large insertions and deletions, indicating that they are not essential for biological functions of HIV-1 envelope glycoprotein. The detection of completely matched sequences of 1 and 2 insertions in only a few HIV-1 strains demonstrated that four insertions are very rare or not present among tens of thousands of natural HIV-1 sequences. This also explains why four insertion homolog sequences could only be independently found in different HIV-1 genomes [8]. Because of their poor identities to and rareness in the HIV-1 sequences, HIV-1 could not be the source for those insertion sequences in the 2019-nCoV genome.
     

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    Post #526 Reference material authored by......... SIX CHINESE MDs that all originated and got their first degrees in China. It doesn't matter where they work now except to U.S. Intelligence that has concerns about Chinese embedded in research/technology at universities all over the U.S.

    Disclosure statement
    No potential conflict of interest was reported by the author(s). (My note: Hmmmmmm)

    This: "However, while the 100% match between the insertion 1 and 2 sequences and the HIV sequences were found in 19 entries, the matches between the insertion 3 and 4 sequences and HIV-1 sequences were rather poor (from 42% to 88%). Moreover, the insertion 4 sequence ambiguously hit multiple different genes (gag, pol and env) in the HIV-1 genome, suggesting that similarities (as low as 42%) between them are too low to be reliable."

    From what I've read : The 100% Matches on #1 and #2 are unheard of as WuFlu itself is "supposed to be a mutation" that allowed it to jump "spicies". Even #3 and #4 are close enough indicators and are being basically ignored. There was a Paper from India(?) that nailed this issue early on. Anything without Chinese fingerprints would add to creditability.
     

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    Post #526 Reference material authored by......... SIX CHINESE MDs that all originated and got their first degrees in China. It doesn't matter where they work now except to U.S. Intelligence that has concerns about Chinese embedded in research/technology at universities all over the U.S.

    Disclosure statement
    No potential conflict of interest was reported by the author(s). (My note: Hmmmmmm)

    This: "However, while the 100% match between the insertion 1 and 2 sequences and the HIV sequences were found in 19 entries, the matches between the insertion 3 and 4 sequences and HIV-1 sequences were rather poor (from 42% to 88%). Moreover, the insertion 4 sequence ambiguously hit multiple different genes (gag, pol and env) in the HIV-1 genome, suggesting that similarities (as low as 42%) between them are too low to be reliable."

    From what I've read : The 100% Matches on #1 and #2 are unheard of as WuFlu itself is "supposed to be a mutation" that allowed it to jump "spicies". Even #3 and #4 are close enough indicators and are being basically ignored. There was a Paper from India(?) that nailed this issue early on. Anything without Chinese fingerprints would add to creditability.

    i would have to spend about a week of very hard reading that I am not going to do.
    Below is a more complete quote and I would have to do a lot of reading and not be like the 5 blind men each touching a different part of the elephant.
    These papers are supposed to go through peer review which means other specialist in the field have read them and find the work creditable. But I am not going to review the editorial policy to verify that it did go through a review process.
    Current report conducted careful examination of the sequences of 2019-nCoV, other CoV viruses and HIV-1 as well as GenBank database. Our results demonstrated no evidence that the sequences of these four inserts are HIV-1 specific or the 2019-nCoV viruses obtain these insertions from HIV-1. First, the results of blast search of these motifs against GenBank shows that the top 100 identical or highly homologous hits are all from host genes of mammalian, insects, bacterial and others. There are only a few hits on coronaviruses, but none of them are HIV-1 related. Blast against viral sequence database also showed these insertion sequences widely exist in all kinds of viruses from bacteriophage, influenza, to giant eukaryotic viruses (Table 1). More hits were found for coronaviruses and a few also hit on HIV-1 sequences than the search against the entire database (Table 1). However, while the 100% match between the insertion 1 and 2 sequences and the HIV sequences were found in 19 entries, the matches between the insertion 3 and 4 sequences and HIV-1 sequences were rather poor (from 42% to 88%). Moreover, the insertion 4 sequence ambiguously hit multiple different genes (gag, pol and env) in the HIV-1 genome, suggesting that similarities (as low as 42%) between them are too low to be reliable. Search these four insertion sequences against HIV-1 Sequence Database (https://www.hiv.lanl.gov/components/sequence/HIV/search/search.html) yielded similar results. Sequences that completely match the insertion 3 and 4 sequences were not found in any HIV-1 sequences. This clearly shows that these insertioin sequences are widely present in living organisms including viruses, but not HIV-1 specific. All these regions in HIV-1 envelope glycoprotein are highly variable with many large insertions and deletions, indicating that they are not essential for biological functions of HIV-1 envelope glycoprotein. The detection of completely matched sequences of 1 and 2 insertions in only a few HIV-1 strains demonstrated that four insertions are very rare or not present among tens of thousands of natural HIV-1 sequences. This also explains why four insertion homolog sequences could only be independently found in different HIV-1 genomes [8]. Because of their poor identities to and rareness in the HIV-1 sequences, HIV-1 could not be the source for those insertion sequences in the 2019-nCoV genome.

    The authors at least most likely include some if not all being PhD's, not MDs; not that it makes a big difference. The lead author is at the U of T in Dallas. Below he is trying to look very Texan.
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    There is a connection for sure with China.
    But let us see the publications first that you are citing as proof of the presence of inserted and engineered sequences of HIV in Covid 19. What I showed you is from the CDC and they are disseminating this publication. I tend to be a skeptical person and wish to look at the facts and let the chips fall where they. may.
    The lead author was a university cadet with the chinese military from 30 yrs ago.
    From his CV
    Chuan Xiao, Ph.D. Curriculum Vitae 1 | PageChuan XiaoAssociate Professor – Department of Chemistry The University of Texas at El Paso 500 West University Ave. CCSB 2.0310 El Paso, TX 79968, USA Email: cxiao@utep.eduWebpage: http://utminers.utep.edu/cxiaoOffice Tel: 915.747.8657; Fax: 915.747.5996 EDUCATION 2005 - 2008 Postdoc Department of Biological Sciences, Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN 1998 - 2005 Ph.D. Department of Biological Sciences, Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN Program: Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, GPA: 3.92 out of 4.0 1995 - 1998 M.S. Department of Biochemistry, Fudan University, Shanghai, P.R.China Major: Biochemistry, GPA: 3.6 out of 4.0 1991-1995 B.S. Department of Biochemistry, Fudan University, Shanghai, P.R. China Major: Biochemistry, GPA: 3.5 out of 4.0 Minor: Electronics and Information system, GPA: 3.9 out of 4.0 1990-1991 Cadet PLA Military Academy at Dalian, Training Required by Fudan University He is obviously trying to explain his military service.
     

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    Cowboy hat. Lol. Still Six "highly educated" people of Chinese origin and initial University education from China. Think of peer review like all the anti-gun Research Studies as seen in JAMA. I'm just going to wait for the U.S. Hammer to fall.

    https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2...an-made-in-wuhan-lab-says-nobel-laureate.html

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/02/covid-19-may-be-man-made-claims-taiwan-scholar/

     

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    Damned if you do, dammed if you don't. IMHO, the vid Dr. errors by diluting the Hot Spot dense populations with larger state wide populations. What Scandinavian country has a city that matched NYC population density? None! It's like comparing NYC to Boise Idaho.

    Seems the Dr is playing fast and loose with calling the death rates insignificant at .0XX when they represent more than 50K deaths and those deaths predominantly target more specfic populations. The guy with a parachute is always more eager to jump than a guy without one. Dr. should be a politician as he's got no problem with a "Acceptable Losses" he thinks are fine and that is 50K and still growing. Anybody think sitting in a commercial jet with a carrier monkey for 3 hours of recirculate air is the smart thing to do? Dr. Says roll the dice & play the scientific odds. Would that Dr. work without PPE? I bet not but that's the equivalent of what he is telling the U.S. to do.

    Dr is basically stating WITH precautions (because they are being used) WUFLU is no worse than the annual Flu. As a Dr he should say we need to take the annual Flu more seriously with social distancing and masks and get those numbers much lower.

    Chose you own path (or pathogen). YMMV.
     
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    I wonder how many people are trying to catch COVID19 on purpose so they can give it to their Mother in Law??

    Just a random thought I had Wednesday...

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    Im not a doctor, I didn't play one on TV, and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn last night, but the truth will always be the truth.
    If the doc on the video is right, somebody has some spainin to do!
     

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    One can monitor sewage to detect disease causing viruses. It is tool that is being used in environmental research.
    Environmental DNA or eDNA is DNA that is collected from a variety of environmental samples such as soil, seawater, snow or even air rather than directly sampled from an individual organism. As various organisms interact with the environment, DNA is expelled and accumulates in their surroundings.
    From this week's science magazine.

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    I just checked the Vid Docs numbers. Confirmed Cases Deaths.
    Norway under Lockdown 7499 201.
    Sweden Open/Limited distancing 18177. 2192
    population of Sweden is ~10.0 million people (4.6 million fewer people live in Norway).

    So no matter how you look at it Sweden has more sick people.

    Financially there could be an incentive to letting your people get sick in some foreign countries. The virus has a preference to kill older people. Older people are living on pensions and savings and do not work. Get the older people dead saves money assuming the hospital stay does not cost too much. Older people does include me so I am not being callous here, but simply factual.
     

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    Mutantions under estimated

    Med staff treating WuFlu and doing testing wear mask and eye protection, maybe we should:

     
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    Mutantions under estimated

    Med staff treating WuFlu and doing testing wear mask and eye protection, maybe we should:

    it is stated: The study, which was carried out by professor Li Lanjuan and colleagues from Zhejiang University in Hangzhou, China, was published in a non-peer reviewed paper released on Sunday.
    Here is the abstract of the article:
    Abstract
    The sudden outbreak of the severe acute respiratory syndrome-coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) has spread globally with more than 1,300,000 patients diagnosed and a death toll of 70,000. Current genomic survey data suggest that single nucleotide variants (SNVs) are abundant. However, no mutation has been directly linked with functional changes in viral pathogenicity. Here we report functional characterizations of 11 patient-derived viral isolates, all of which have at least one mutation. Importantly, these viral isolates show significant variation in cytopathic effects and viral load, up to 270-fold differences, when infecting Vero-E6 cells. We observed intrapersonal variation and 6 different mutations in the spike glycoprotein (S protein), including 2 different SNVs that led to the same missense mutation. Therefore, we provide direct evidence that the SARS-CoV-2 has acquired mutations capable of substantially changing its pathogenicity.

    The implications for making a vaccine are not discussed in the abstract, but are mentioned elsewhere

    From the article https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20060160v2.full.pdf
    Finally, similar to flu, drug and vaccine development, while urgent, need to take the impact of these accumulating mutations,especially the founding mutations,into account to avoid potential pitfalls
     

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    Sadly, we can believe little to none of what the media pumps out these days. A couple of things we have learned for certain from all this is that many Americans are more than willing to give up their God given rights on the word of so-called "experts" and a great percentage of law enforcement personal will not honor their oath. Where that leaves those of us who will support and defend the Constitution remains to be seen.
     

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    I've read many political driven and medical articles about how WuFlu is going to heavily impact minority communities; blaming a lack of preventive and routine medical care for common health conditions and underlying conditions that contribute to WuFlu fatalities. Causation primarly due to income and medical accessibility. Like many other destructive issues related to those communities, personal responsibility is not prevalent. One of several examples:


    Looks like We're NOT all in this together. I'm sure people of other backgrounds are having various size parties too but don't blame others for the results of your actions. Reap as you sow, good or bad and don't come crying to me.
     
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