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Pondering picking up a .308
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Capt. Dave
Marksman
No cons on any .308! Get whatever suits you. You’ll have no regrets.
Fodderwing
Marksman
Main downside is weight, neither platform is fun to lug around the woods.
But you can trick them out to your heat's content, especially the AR10.
But you can trick them out to your heat's content, especially the AR10.
Rebel_Rider1969
Well Known Nuisance
Look at the price of quality mags as well.
Also, AR10 and LAR10. Two different animals. AR10's are not standardized like the AR15.
Also, AR10 and LAR10. Two different animals. AR10's are not standardized like the AR15.
Rebuilt
Marksman
Yeah I remember that from last time I got the .308 itch… right when the shelves started really clearing out last summer I kept coming across .308 in the shelf, Mike’s, Gulfcoast And academy. That and 7.62x39…at least for a while anyway.
That kinda stuck out that possibly for SHTF it would be to be a little more flexible in calibers
Rebel_Rider1969
Well Known Nuisance
Yep, what better pick could you make for a genuine "battle" rifle. HK, Fal and Cetame are very good choices too. Add a 3x optic and.... done. Plus you can deer hunt with it.
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The AR will be inherently more accurate out of the box than the run of the mill M1A, without spending a thousand dollars to glass bed or free float anything. And the AR is multi caliber, multi mission capable without tools or gunsmiths. Just push a couple pins, throw a couple levers, presto. However, it is generally agreed that the M1A gas piston system (any and all gas piston systems) will be more reliable and run cooler than an AR direct impingement gas system. If you want a piston system on the AR10 get ready to spend some big money, usually upwards of $3,000. The Savage brand 308 AR10 is an exception. It's got a left side charger, too, and usually is less than $2,000. As far as weight, the Gen3 308 AR is coming down, at only 5.73 pounds, by using magnesium alloy
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SAWMAN
Master
I just do not realize why they just keep turning out large frame AR's,almost exclusively in 308Win.
How much harder,how much more work would be involved to turn them out in 338Fed,7-08,243Win,358Win,even 308AI.
Marketing ??
The proper bbl twist rate most likely has somethihg to do with it.--- SAWMAN
How much harder,how much more work would be involved to turn them out in 338Fed,7-08,243Win,358Win,even 308AI.
Marketing ??
The proper bbl twist rate most likely has somethihg to do with it.--- SAWMAN
Definitely popularity based - .308 and 6.5 command the majority of the market.
Magazines might be an issue too - I'm not familiar with those cartridges, so I'm not sure how well the fatter ones like .338 and .358 would stack in an AR10 magazine or if they'd just need new followers. Cartridge OAL might also be an obstacle? Like I said, not familiar with those cartridges so I'm just spitballin', lemme know if I'm off base.
SAWMAN
Master
Some weapons are for reloaders only. OR ---> for wealthy non reloaders.
In my past I have actually bought dies,brass,bullets,optics,before i bought the firearm.
Just takes a healthy dose of the "7 P's" ---> Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. --- SAWMAN
In my past I have actually bought dies,brass,bullets,optics,before i bought the firearm.
Just takes a healthy dose of the "7 P's" ---> Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. --- SAWMAN
M118LR
Master
Just recall that 100 7.62 x 51 rounds are roughly the equivalent to 210 5.56 x 45 rounds in weight. The advantage that the 7.62 x 51 has over the 5.56 x 45 is superior distance. (Think M40/M24) Pew-pew-pew in 7.62 x 51 is hard to control and even more of a burden to carry on your back. Magazine feed 7.62 x 51 bolt actions are still in use even on todays Battlefields. When contemplating the .308 Win/7.62 x 51? Accuracy, not cyclic rate, should be of primary concern. JMHO.
SAWMAN
Master
Our average engagement distance was about 35yds. About the only tactic we used was "overwhelm to overcome".
At one point the never been there,never done that " higher ups" tried to have some of us carry shotguns (Ithaca 37's). What a brain fart that was.
M3 GREASE GUNS,GUSTOV'S,M2 carbines,XM177E1 and 2's,Colt 609's,Stoner63's and M60's with no rear stock,no bipod and no front sight stuff,was the norm. An ocasional M-79 but 30 HE or parachute flare rds was too damned heavy.
We left "home" with no food (it was stashed or air dropped) a day or so in. On a BRIGHT LIGHT we carried very limited sustanance but we were in and out in 10-18 hours. We most always had PRU's in tow. Mean mo-fo's and would do all the"dirty work" that nobody wanted to hear about. We most always carried $2000-$5000 ( US and other) in cash for recruitment activities. Yep . . . MONEY TALKS !!
What we did carry was massive amounts of ammo and HE. Claymore's sometimes but too forkin' heavy. Usually 2.5lb blocks of C4. Then cut to order. Spliced to oder,molded to order or stacked to order.
Also little known,ASTROLITE. A ribbon or even a spray on explosive. Then,air dropped cold, BLU-82. SOME BAD SHEET !! We fuzed it and used it.
Sorry sir for the derail and/or ramble. I will gladly take down if appropriate. --- SAWMAN
At one point the never been there,never done that " higher ups" tried to have some of us carry shotguns (Ithaca 37's). What a brain fart that was.
M3 GREASE GUNS,GUSTOV'S,M2 carbines,XM177E1 and 2's,Colt 609's,Stoner63's and M60's with no rear stock,no bipod and no front sight stuff,was the norm. An ocasional M-79 but 30 HE or parachute flare rds was too damned heavy.
We left "home" with no food (it was stashed or air dropped) a day or so in. On a BRIGHT LIGHT we carried very limited sustanance but we were in and out in 10-18 hours. We most always had PRU's in tow. Mean mo-fo's and would do all the"dirty work" that nobody wanted to hear about. We most always carried $2000-$5000 ( US and other) in cash for recruitment activities. Yep . . . MONEY TALKS !!
What we did carry was massive amounts of ammo and HE. Claymore's sometimes but too forkin' heavy. Usually 2.5lb blocks of C4. Then cut to order. Spliced to oder,molded to order or stacked to order.
Also little known,ASTROLITE. A ribbon or even a spray on explosive. Then,air dropped cold, BLU-82. SOME BAD SHEET !! We fuzed it and used it.
Sorry sir for the derail and/or ramble. I will gladly take down if appropriate. --- SAWMAN
M118LR
Master
There is a reason that everyone on the team carries a belt for THE SAW!
7.62 x 51 ammo gets heavy, even when your young & dumb. LOL.
ratio411
Expert
My hog murder machine, and actually the favorite rifle I own is a Galil Ace. This rifle is extremely reliable and accurate.
People say these are overpriced, and I actually agree with that when it comes to the 5.56 or x39, but the .308 is worth every cent. The two stage trigger is amazing.
People say these are overpriced, and I actually agree with that when it comes to the 5.56 or x39, but the .308 is worth every cent. The two stage trigger is amazing.
