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    M60, I agree with you: accidents do happen, and "draw speed" depends on the person. My point/opinion is that carrying appendix (1 o'clock) is safer than carrying SOB (at 5). More control of the weapon in a crowd. Better visibility when holstering the weapon. The heebie-jeebies some folks get because the muzzle is flagging you all the time? Well, familiarity with the weapon's function, confidence in it's design, and training to properly draw should all help alleviate those concerns.

    Yes, an external safety would help defeat the death-grip draw stroke negligent discharge. It also adds another fine motor skills step to make the weapon function when you need it.

    Gun design, vs comfort level, vs training regimen, etc. Again, to each his own.
     

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    I have carried guns probably far less than most of you, but to me it comes down to practice and confidence. I carry a few different guns based on the environment. Some have external safeties - most don’t. Earlier this year I tried a CZ rami with the external safety. It was a fine gun and I am a CZ guy, but I just could never get comfortable with it. I’m a lefty so that makes a difference - but if I’m not confident with it I’m not carrying it. I practice in dry fire and live fire with whatever I’m carrying. If I can’t shoot it and draw it well - not happening. I don’t think you can ever dry fire too much with your gear.
     

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    All my carry pistols have no manual safety. Glocks and S&W J-frames.
     

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    M60Gunner

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    Agreed. Normally have one somewhere around 4-5-6 and one appendix carry, since not all threats will be presented in front of me.
     

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    SOB's out...that stuff HURTS if you end up on your back for any reason.
    (SOB-Small Of Back)
     

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    GLock sort of has a safety, but i would rather a better one. I did not worry much when i had one. Now my wife's cc is a bersa 9mm i forget the model but its single stack and has no safety at all even on the trigger. Cant say i like htat, but she really likes that gun
     

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    I've played with them before empty. The doohickeys have to be in alignment. Example would be if you reach in the trigger guard and only pull the trigger it will not fire. You have to pull the doohickey first.
    Springfield and Glock use this method, sig does not. These things are bombs, you have to be careful even with a safety because at some point you're going to have to set it to fire.
     

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    If you're so worried about it, then don't carry anything with a round in the chamber. Just accept it and train to rack your slide upon presentation. On a separate note, I wouldn't want anybody near me with a loaded weapon unless they were 100% confident in their ability to control their weapon, no matter the type of weapon or safety
     

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    BUT - - -> whatcha gonna do in a standing lockup (neck hold,arm bar,ground grapple,injury,etc,etc)when you find the need to draw and fire one handed. Whatever protection you have in fighting skills,a hold on the attackers,gun,knife,tire iron,or if he is chewing on your ear - - -> you do not want to relinquish that advantage by haveing your primary NOT READY TO FIRE with a simple yank on the trigger. ( As with a Glock,revo,etc)
    The very best you can do for yourself is practice with a buddy using a BLUE GUN,and or soft plastic double edged knife with both edges clalked up,wearing dark clothing.
    We practiced in this manner. Cuts out all the " I cut you,no you didn't" BS.---- SAWMAN
     

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    BUT - - -> whatcha gonna do in a standing lockup (neck hold,arm bar,ground grapple,injury,etc,etc)when you find the need to draw and fire one handed. Whatever protection you have in fighting skills,a hold on the attackers,gun,knife,tire iron,or if he is chewing on your ear - - -> you do not want to relinquish that advantage by haveing your primary NOT READY TO FIRE with a simple yank on the trigger. ( As with a Glock,revo,etc)
    The very best you can do for yourself is practice with a buddy using a BLUE GUN,and or soft plastic double edged knife with both edges clalked up,wearing dark clothing.
    We practiced in this manner. Cuts out all the " I cut you,no you didn't" BS.---- SAWMAN
    I agree with you, and have said so in the past here. Absolutely an advantage to be loaded and ready to go. I'm not worried about it, he is
     

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    Yeah, when the time comes for shootin,GET TA SHOOTIN'.
    That is not the time to try to minupulat the controls on that fancy _____ you just had to buy.
    Sigs and Berettas are someting you show your friends. Glocks are something you show your enemies. --- SAWMAN
     

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    You guys may look at a JA-LO-AR.. 9mm largo/380 Spanish pistol, no safety.. Designed to be carried by a man about town, in his pocket, safely without a round in the chamber. Then with one hand you can cock and load it..

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    You guys may look at a JA-LO-AR.. 9mm largo/380 Spanish pistol, no safety.. Designed to be carried by a man about town, in his pocket, safely without a round in the chamber. Then with one hand you can cock and load it..

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    Slight typo. It's "JO.LO.AR."
    Makes finding reviews and vids much easier.

    Here's one to show how it works:


    Seems faster to slingshot the slide, but if you only have one hand...
     

    indy1919a4

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    All depends when you 1st saw it... The greatest 9mm Largo sight of all time

    9mmlargo.com

    Later reborn as

    9mm-largo.com


    Always called it JA-LO-AR.. And by God this rascal knew 9mm Largo and Spanish arms.. I will bow to his spelling just out of respect for the classics.
     
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    Food for thought.....

    many modern 1911 makers on the lower/budget end advertise a 6 or 7 pound trigger.
    I’ve shot a couple factory hi power triggers, both Belgium and Portuguese made(and one unaltered Argentine copy) and id day the triggers are around 5-6 lbs for all.
    the p320 and p365 both claim 5-7lbs pull, around about on par.

    so what is the actual difference in walking around with a hi power cocked and unlocked in a holster, vs a p320 single action with no manual safety?

    how many of us feel fine keeping our bugger switch of the bang hammer with a p365, would also feel just fine pinning the grip safety and not engaging the thumb safety on a series 80 1911 then carrying it all day?
    Keep in mind, 1911’s have a additional half cock notch as well, where as the early p320’s would pull their own trigger through inertia when dropped.
     

    indy1919a4

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    Slight typo. It's "JO.LO.AR."
    Makes finding reviews and vids much easier.

    Here's one to show how it works:


    Seems faster to slingshot the slide, but if you only have one hand...


    Finally saw this guys video. Thanks, Real nice.. Bummer on the pistol grip.. :( That broke my wittle heart.

    This highlights a great debate on this pistol.. Several youtube shooters of the gun will point to the tip up barrel and show it as a way to remove unspent rounds from the barrel... I love it, it works and may be true.. But you can remove rounds from the pistol just holding the barrel up with the slide back (assuming the extractor does not catch it).

    My suspicions is that the real reason for the tip up barrel is to load the 4mm sub caliber shooting barrel. Now that's a tough find. I have never seen one other than in photos.

    Look on page 42 of this pdf to see one in use.. A darn cool little item..

    But who really knows, the companies records were long ago destroyed in the SCW. Thanks again for the Youtube.. (except for the grip breaking, could have lived without seeing that)

     
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