KT RDB

[Rebel_Rider1969]

The 20" for me. Have shot both in 308. IMO more recoiĺ than anticipated. "SURPRISEING". Tons of vibration. Feels like a shouldered brick block.
Love the BASIC ergonomics.
Nowhere near the accuracy anticipated for a /in a 308. WITH 1-6X at 100yds and four different factory loads - - -> 3MOA WAS BEST THREE OF US COULD DO.
PASS FOR ME. ---- SAWMAN
Tavor,AUG,WOULD BE MY FIRST PICS.

I'm guessing the 308 has gas adjust, did ya try adjusting it to see if it eased up? Also reading, these get loose rails sometimes. Recoil on the .223 should be light. Never shot one yet.

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

James, I've owned a number of KT's over the years including a Gen 1 and Gen 2 Sub 2000 and a lot of their pistols. I don't have and KT's now. KT's are ok for what they are, but I agree with the ones who are indirectly suggesting to just spend a little more and get a better quality gun. The Sub 2000 would be ok if it just wasn't so brutal to shoot, IMHO, lol. Have fun with them though, that's what its all about.

I put the buffer in the sub2000, not brutal at all, now. TJ just ordered one and will give us a report I'll bet.
It's just for fun, this won't do anything the Su16c won't do or the myriad of AR's in the pile. Except for my actual hunting firearms the rest are t-o-y-z to tinker and play with. Just looking and having fun.

 

[850guns]

I will say the trigger is great. Better than any bullpup i own or have shot. And better than some conventional rifles i have shot. And is why i wanted to try the 20", hoping to get max accuracy. The balance is awesome. And even with the 20" barrel, it is the same length as my 10.5" AR.

 

[SAWMAN]

Sorry sir.
Length of bbl has nothing to do with accuracy.
In fact,shorter (STIFFER) could possibly be MORE accurate. --- SAWMAN

 

[stage20]

I put the buffer in the sub2000, not brutal at all, now. TJ just ordered one and will give us a report I'll bet.
It's just for fun, this won't do anything the Su16c won't do or the myriad of AR's in the pile. Except for my actual hunting firearms the rest are t-o-y-z to tinker and play with. Just looking and having fun.

Those SU16s look like fun. Never seen one in stock, maybe I should start looking? I believe those are gas too.
The sub doesn't kick hard but the Missouri tactical stock pad helps. I got it on Amazon a while back. Slips on and stays, not like some of the newer versions that bolt on. Easy mod.
It does kick harder than my ar9(foxtrot upper, Glock lower, pdw brace). The real smooth shooter is my PTR 9k. Fun to shoot. Put a hundred rounds through it and it's not a workout. It does leave a little gas in your face. Doesn't blow it at you but you get a whiff at indoor range.
I have never shot a bullpup. Don't know anyone with one. Horrible triggers is all I ever hear. I think James remembers me asking him about that bushmaster bullpup they was on the forum 6 months or so ago. Owner never got back with me. Kind of glad. That model is supposed to have the worst trigger of them all.

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

Looked at the X95's, about 1k more. Do some reading.

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

Those SU16s look like fun. Never seen one in stock, maybe I should start looking? I believe those are gas too.
The sub doesn't kick hard but the Missouri tactical stock pad helps. I got it on Amazon a while back. Slips on and stays, not like some of the newer versions that bolt on. Easy mod.
It does kick harder than my ar9(foxtrot upper, Glock lower, pdw brace). The real smooth shooter is my PTR 9k. Fun to shoot. Put a hundred rounds through it and it's not a workout. It does leave a little gas in your face. Doesn't blow it at you but you get a whiff at indoor range.
I have never shot a bullpup. Don't know anyone with one. Horrible triggers is all I ever hear. I think James remembers me asking him about that bushmaster bullpup they was on the forum 6 months or so ago. Owner never got back with me. Kind of glad. That model is supposed to have the worst trigger of them all.

The su16 uses both aspects of the m16(bolt) and the AK (piston) It's also 4.6 lbs with a 16 inch barrel. The C also shoots folded. I like it.

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

Also seems like the RDB has 27 gas adjustments! I guess that would be good for tuning for any load.

 

[850guns]

Yep. Broken firing pin.
Can't wait to test.

Now, when i manipulate the bolt and firing pin, I can see the pin poking through the bolt face.

 

[850guns]

Sorry sir.
Length of bbl has nothing to do with accuracy.
In fact,shorter (STIFFER) could possibly be MORE accurate. --- SAWMAN

I'm going to put your theory to test this fall.

Which is "Better" ?

A 10.5" AR pistol or a 20" Bullpup (5.56)
I think I'll start a new thread about it.

 

[SAWMAN]

NOTE - -> The mechanics of the bullpup design makes them inherently INACCURATE
SHOW ME ANY BULLPUP THAT WILL SHOOT >3.0-4.0MOA. ---- SAWMAN

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

NOTE - -> The mechanics of the bullpup design makes them inherently INACCURATE
SHOW ME ANY BULLPUP THAT WILL SHOOT >3.0-4.0MOA. ---- SAWMAN

So the $1,800 x95 is going to be 3-4 moa? Wow.

 

[SAWMAN]

Just from first hand and close friend second hand expierance.
Tests ?? Studies ?? NO !!
A 2MOA BULLPUP SHOULD BE SWOOPED UP ..... IMO. --- SAWMAN

 

[SAWMAN]

PLEASE REMEMBER THE INTENDED USAGE OF THE BULLPUPS.
STATIC POSITION,SHOOTING 300-600YDS ??
FORK NO !! ----- SAWMAN

 

[Crabbyguy]

NOTE - -> The mechanics of the bullpup design makes them inherently INACCURATE
SHOW ME ANY BULLPUP THAT WILL SHOOT >3.0-4.0MOA. ---- SAWMAN

I think they said they might have fix the poor accuracy thing, but… you’re still looking at a 2-3 moa tops on the iwi x95. I’ll take a non-bullpup any day of the week.

 

[rkflorey]

I have to break it to you Sawman but the RDB I had would easily shoot 2 moa with 55 gr ball, and a little better with 68-69 match ammo.
My Steyr AUG Nato with a 1 x 6 Vortex will shoot 1moa with multiple loads. These are from prone or bench with sandbags

 

[Woktosstacticool]

RDBs were worth it when they were $700 a piece. Now not so much IMO. great trigger though for a bullpup

 

[SAWMAN]

Two MOA HUH. BRING IT OUT TO MY CLUB,SHOOT THREE GROUPS OF 2 INCHES AT 100YDS,WIN $100.
OR ... OF COURSE... PAY ME $100. SOUND FARE ??? ---- SAWMAN BRING OUT THAT STEYR... LETS SHOOT.

 

[850guns]

Two MOA HUH. BRING IT OUT TO MY CLUB,SHOOT THREE GROUPS OF 2 INCHES AT 100YDS,WIN $100.
OR ... OF COURSE... PAY ME $100. SOUND FARE ??? ---- SAWMAN BRING OUT THAT STEYR... LETS SHOOT.

Why not 1 group? Ammo is expensive.

 

[SAWMAN]

Right, no prob.
One group of 6 will earn you (or me) $100.
I ESPECIALLY WANT TO SEE THAT 1MOA GUN PERFORM. --- SAWMAN