Gov's new attack on First and Second Ammendments, New Proposed Rule

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  • wildrider666

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    Please bare with me on this long comment. It is extremely imporntant that you fully understand the potential impact of these Government Proposed Rules.
    There are 22 Sections of proposed Rule changes.* They all originate from "The President's Export Control Reform (ECR) initiative"(Obama Executive Order).* I will address a small part of this. The restrictions are buried in larger "real weapons" of war issues. This is so it will be unopposed, and those who dare to question it will be attacked for not stopping the sepread of nukes, weapons of mass destruction and weapon proliferation.

    ** This is a assault on the First and Second Ammendments!
    Don't just read the NRA comments. READ THE PROPOSED RULE CHANGE.*

    The Government has gone after the guns, then the ammo and now their going after firearms and ammo related technical data (to be redefined as Defensive articles).
    This is a blatant gun control measure. Under the guise of the State Dept trying to restrict the export of firearms technology and information.* The 3D printer gun programs are currently being hammered by the Gov for "export" violation and the Gov has seized that intellectual property. They are changing "Software" computer programs (ballistic programs, AR reciever milling programs, et all) from being defined as technical data to be defined as Defensive articles which legal term includes all weapons of war: tanks, bombers, missles and aircraft carriers, et all. Gov says "This is not a substantive change."

    This is not limited to intended export. This says that anything technically specific about firearms, ammo and its manufacture may not be released into the public domain: including the internet, published books, magizines and journals, trade shows (gun shows) and more.* If a person was to publicly discuss or publish (specifically includes internet) firearms technical specifications (like reloading data or how to polish a feed ramp to improve reliability) without prior State Dept approval he/she would be subject to prison and fines.*The Gov Charge you for publishing (per Rule Exporting) this information, Charge anyone who forwards it (Re Exporting, Gov term). They can charge the reciepient for possession of it too. It even states the material does not need to be read or opened to be in violation.

    This is a Gag order on the firearms industry and every firearms owner.* If you want to post your new hot loading for 300 Blackout on you favorite forum or blog, you must first get it approved for release from the State Dept.* How long will it take to get a response from them? Gov will also say the Rule change supports the restrictions of the U. N. Small arms treaty (that also threatens the 2A. We all know where that is aimed at.

    One again the Gov is trying to criminalize lawful activity and using the State Dept as the primary tool this time.*Other Agencies also provide parts of the Proposed Rule changes. Gov will say this is just a comon sense approach to restrict the export of weapons information and is in keeping with past practice.* "Past pratice" did not make free speach about firearms specifications a Felony!* This is not about keeping secrets on military weapons.* Its about smothering your voice, writings and media from all public dissemination of firearms related information. If you email a reloading recipe to a local guy and it turns out he is a illegal alien or forgien national: you can be charged, fined and go to prison! It applies to recipients in and outside the U. S.

    New gun add:* XXXX Firearms is proud to introduce a brand new*rifle design that exceeds the preformance of every rifle on the consumer market. We regret we can not release any technical specifications as the Dept of State has not provided approval yet.* As such no photos can be published. You may see it at a FFL near you except NYC, WASH D.C, CA OR, and NJ.

    READ the proposed Rule.* Yes, it is dry reading, until you see the intent and examples in the Gov's own words. You must understand how the Gov will apply and abuse it as they do with all their self imposed authority.**

    Now take a break, organize a well thought out response and post it on the Rule feedback.* Send letters to your elected officials referencing the Proposed Rule and your thoughts. Specifically ask them to address your concerns and respond with their actions and results. Put them on notice! ADD: Please do not reply to my letter with the standard boiler plate response.* I send specifices and I request you take action and reply in kind.*

    Just like the BATFE Proposed Rule Ammo Ban, WE can not wait for someone else to do it for us.* If you stay silent on this issue you may be silenced on firearms by the Government forever.

    Rule overview is here (You need to click a link on that doc to download the actual Proposed Rule):
    *http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/proposed_rules.html
     

    Little Jack

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    Thanks for post.

    Secondly, where have you been??
     

    flyandscuba

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    They also want to shut down web forums - like this one.

    I wonder how our liberal-leaning BHO supporting members will feel about this aspect??
     

    FrankT

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    Yep lots of discussions on this, odumbdumb will be doing all he can through rule changes and executive action to hurt America in the next 18 mos, this is going to be a mess...

    welcome back
     

    Seanpcola

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    Yep, you ain't seen nuthin' yet. He's gonna slash and burn till they drag him and his wife kicking and screaming out of the White House. That is if he doesn't find a way to stay in.
     

    Stanley13

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    I would just like to point out how great it is to have a thread like this without Droski on it!!! Carry on ladies............
     

    RidgeRunner

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    Well at least you know he can't be the antichrist, because that will be someone everyone likes and trusts!
     

    RidgeRunner

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    I would just like to point out how great it is to have a thread like this without Droski on it!!! Carry on ladies............

    Who you callin a lady, was that an attack on my masculinity ?
    JK Stan, I tried texting you about a truck deal, you must have changed #'s ?
     

    moron1

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    Not if Ian keeps it limited to the likes of where eat in P'cola, buying truck parts and showing scantly clad females, all will be fine.

    Can't talk about females; women can get you killed. I'm sure trucks,cars,motorcycles,ect discussions will also be banned because of all the motor vehicle deaths over the years. Any discussion about fatty foods will have to be banned because of the hundreds of thousands of deaths from heart disease every year. This will eventually result in cooking shows and sporting events being banned from television. Any subject that has resulted in injury or death shall be banned from discussion including discussions about old age. We are truly living in bizarro world!:crazy:
     

    wildrider666

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    The silence on this topic is deafening. If this Proposed Rule is allowed to pass we will be silenced forever or become criminals (Outlaws if you prefer). Hear no guns, see no guns, speak, no guns! If allowed to become Law, and I post a spec (70 grains black powder, greased cloth patch with 200 grain minnie ball) without the Gov's prior approval: I can be fined and imprisoned! This issue seems a bit more important to the whole firearms community then changing the status of surplus ammo. It is often said the 1A wouldn't stand if the 2nd didn't. The Gov is attacking both. Write to the politicians AND write to your TV and newspapers. The word needs to get out to folks who are not on the Forums. If we don't take action: we will be burying our free speech with our guns and ammo.
     

    fl57caveman

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    the shooting would have started already if this was about 150 yrs ago.....
     

    Crazydoc68

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    The silence on this topic is deafening. If this Proposed Rule is allowed to pass we will be silenced forever or become criminals (Outlaws if you prefer). Hear no guns, see no guns, speak, no guns! If allowed to become Law, and I post a spec (70 grains black powder, greased cloth patch with 200 grain minnie ball) without the Gov's prior approval: I can be fined and imprisoned! This issue seems a bit more important to the whole firearms community then changing the status of surplus ammo. It is often said the 1A wouldn't stand if the 2nd didn't. The Gov is attacking both. Write to the politicians AND write to your TV and newspapers. The word needs to get out to folks who are not on the Forums. If we don't take action: we will be burying our free speech with our guns and ammo.

    I get it, write our "representatives", but look for my thread on this topic and also the one about the OC issue at the Atlanta Airport.

    We as gun owners cant agree on the most trivial of things. We all know writing our representatives, doesn't do anything these days. We have been sacrificing our gun rights for the past 200 plus years now. We are so divided amongst ourselves, that we cant even pull together for the small issues. We have a small group here saying "well I don't like open carry", we have another group saying "well I don't own an AR type platform" we have another group saying "I don't belong to any online forums".

    You are right, the silence is deafening, but when we have someone post about some truly trivial matter, there is 20 pages of replies over what someone ate this morning for breakfast.........or about who grows blueberries..........SMDH.


    Doc
     

    Brandon_SPC

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    I completely agree with doc. Writing only does so much. Hell I think half of all the writing just gets thrown in the trash. These politicans don't care about what is in ink or in an email. But what will make them care is when we as gun owners get off our lazy asses, stop fighting each other on stupid issues like OC or CC and take it to the house. Everyone is crying and moaning about this but never complain about background checks, permits, or all the stupid little tedious stuff we have to go through. This will either be the final straw that breaks the camel back.
     
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    MAXman

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    I don't think it needs to be 20 pages, but at least as many posts as the fake Baltimore editorial got.
     
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