FFL Revocations

[IronBeard]

Apparently the ATF is on another crusade to revoke the FFL of anyone they can back into a "legal" corner, and/or has no viable means to defend/resist. I have it from what I consider reliable sources, that the owner of Tradewinds in Navarre, FL has had his FFL revoked.

Can anyone confirm/deny? Anyone else have knowledge of your local FFL Bubba being hit? WTF?, over.

 

[Duckyou]

I hope you heard wrong. I love hitting up tradewinds.

 

[RVGuru]

I hope that’s not true! Miles has been around forever. I’ve been going in there for 30 years.

 

[Southernlost]

That's a business ending sentence right there

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

There's a thread somewhere in here about it. True, ffl gone.

 

[72sofsme]

Tradewinds (Miles) has been a great place to visit and occasionally buy. He is extremely knowledgeable and a joy to discuss Historical aspects of many thing involving firearms. Very sad news

 

[skyydiver]

Shit.


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[Snake-Eyes]

There's a thread somewhere in here about it. True, ffl gone.

I had mentioned it on the “random thoughts” thread on 30DEC22.

just a random thoughts thread that go through your brain.....and mine

LORD , help us all

www.gulfcoastgunforum.com

Yesterday got an update email about Tradewinds and Miles’ FFL.

From Miles:

" ... my FFL has already been revoked but I have been granted a "stay". I will be able to finish up transactions including new sales until 04-01-2023."



Trade Winds
6243 Gulf Breeze Pkwy
Gulf Breeze, FL 32563
tradewindsguns.com
850-939-3303

Hours:
Tuesday - Friday: 9:30AM - 5:00PM
Saturday: 9:30AM - 2:30PM
Sunday - Monday: closed


Go look through Trade Winds' inventory (about 900 firearms) at:

https://tradewindsguns.com/our-inventory/​

 

[72sofsme]

I had mentioned it on the “random thoughts” thread on 30DEC22.

just a random thoughts thread that go through your brain.....and mine

LORD , help us all

www.gulfcoastgunforum.com

Yesterday got an update email about Tradewinds and Miles’ FFL.

From Miles:

" ... my FFL has already been revoked but I have been granted a "stay". I will be able to finish up transactions including new sales until 04-01-2023."



Trade Winds
6243 Gulf Breeze Pkwy
Gulf Breeze, FL 32563
tradewindsguns.com
850-939-3303

Hours:
Tuesday - Friday: 9:30AM - 5:00PM
Saturday: 9:30AM - 2:30PM
Sunday - Monday: closed


Go look through Trade Winds' inventory (about 900 firearms) at:

https://tradewindsguns.com/our-inventory/​

It would seem that we both received the same email from Mike!

 

[Snake-Eyes]

It would seem that we both received the same email from Mike!

Yup. I just edited it a little to make it applicable to the Forum.

 

[lil'skeet]

Works Better than banning guns. Manufacturers have more $ and a louder voice to fight back. Small FFLs (especially home based) are very necessary especially in rural areas. You know, the areas full of gun toting, insurrectionist, wite supremacists types.
Cut that head off and good luck getting firearms..... Oh and good luck getting ammo too.
Problem solvers, solving America's "real" problems!

 

[M60Gunner]

Always wanted to go in there. Every time I went (no matter the day or time) it was closed.

 

[Gaterbaitii]

Apparently the ATF is on another crusade to revoke the FFL of anyone they can back into a "legal" corner, and/or has no viable means to defend/resist. I have it from what I consider reliable sources, that the owner of Tradewinds in Navarre, FL has had his FFL revoked.

Can anyone confirm/deny? Anyone else have knowledge of your local FFL Bubba being hit? WTF?, over.

I talked to Mile’s a couple weeks ago and was telling me about this. Didn’t know he had his FFL “revoked” already! If so pretty sad

 

[Duckyou]

Any idea what the ATF is using to shut down FFLs?

Paperwork done improperly or inventory or something else?

 

[Snake-Eyes]

Any idea what the ATF is using to shut down FFLs?

Paperwork done improperly or inventory or something else?

The biden regime dictated some changes. The new BATFECES guidance says that what used to be paperwork errors or typos (that were easily fixable or whatever) are now considered “willful”. The way everything is worded, “willful” violations (errors/mistakes/omissions/typos/etc) are now zero-tolerance one-and-done grounds for revocation.

The TTAG article explains it here:

ATF Revoked 500% More Federal Firearms Licenses in 11 Months Since Biden Declared War on Guns - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ By Lee Williams In the years before the Biden-Harris administration took over the White House, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives usually revoked an average of 40 Federal Firearm Licenses (FFLs) per year. But, in the 11 months since Joe Biden...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

But the stuff the inspectors gripe about CHANGES from inspector to inspector and region to region. Texas apparently does things different than Florida which does it different than Kommiefornia, etc. (Odd how a FEDERAL AGENCY doesn’t have a nation-wide STANDARD in writing, huh?). So, the FFL gets inspected, the inspector finds something to pick at, and in the past, the FFL would adjust and make it “right”. Overly cautious compliance. Then the next inspection, the next inspector says “What's this? Why are you doing it this way?” The FFL would explain; the last inspector may or may not own up to telling the FFL to do it that way. Fine whatever, the FFL would comply with the next hoop to jump through, but life moved on.

All that is over. One “willful” violation now, and you’re done. But violating WHAT? Who knows. It’s SUBjective to the whim of the BATFECES agent. It’s not OBJECTIVE in black and white writing.

It’s an impossible standard of whatever a Future inspector may or may not want to see. And the margin for error is now nothing.

This SHOULD be a field day for the right lawyers to sue the crap out of these BATFECES field offices and “leadership”.

Until then, law abiding good people like Miles (and his entire customer base) are suffering for it.

 

[Duckyou]

Meanwhile the atf counts a felon with 33 firearms guilty on one count and getting home jailed a success!

Covington Man Sentenced for Possessing Thirty-Three Firearms in Violation of the Federal Gun Control Act | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA – U.S. Attorney Duane A. Evans announced that MICHAEL MALONE, age 38, a resident of Covington, Louisiana, was sentenced on January 10, 2023 in the United States District Court in connection with his plea of guilty to a one-count indictment charging him with Possession of a...

www.atf.gov

 

[Gaterbaitii]

Any idea what the ATF is using to shut down FFLs?

Paperwork done improperly or inventory or something else?

Yep, I heard improper paperwork etc like you stated

 

[lil'skeet]

The biden regime dictated some changes. The new BATFECES guidance says that what used to be paperwork errors or typos (that were easily fixable or whatever) are now considered “willful”. The way everything is worded, “willful” violations (errors/mistakes/omissions/typos/etc) are now zero-tolerance one-and-done grounds for revocation.

The TTAG article explains it here:

ATF Revoked 500% More Federal Firearms Licenses in 11 Months Since Biden Declared War on Guns - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ By Lee Williams In the years before the Biden-Harris administration took over the White House, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives usually revoked an average of 40 Federal Firearm Licenses (FFLs) per year. But, in the 11 months since Joe Biden...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

But the stuff the inspectors gripe about CHANGES from inspector to inspector and region to region. Texas apparently does things different than Florida which does it different than Kommiefornia, etc. (Odd how a FEDERAL AGENCY doesn’t have a nation-wide STANDARD in writing, huh?). So, the FFL gets inspected, the inspector finds something to pick at, and in the past, the FFL would adjust and make it “right”. Overly cautious compliance. Then the next inspection, the next inspector says “What's this? Why are you doing it this way?” The FFL would explain; the last inspector may or may not own up to telling the FFL to do it that way. Fine whatever, the FFL would comply with the next hoop to jump through, but life moved on.

All that is over. One “willful” violation now, and you’re done. But violating WHAT? Who knows. It’s SUBjective to the whim of the BATFECES agent. It’s not OBJECTIVE in black and white writing.

It’s an impossible standard of whatever a Future inspector may or may not want to see. And the margin for error is now nothing.

This SHOULD be a field day for the right lawyers to sue the crap out of these BATFECES field offices and “leadership”.

Until then, law abiding good people like Miles (and his entire customer base) are suffering for it.

100%
Better have all your P's crossed and Q's dotted.
Meanwhile..... pres Biden did what with top secret documents?
I will be willing to bet the Russians stole the documents and planted them in all those places.

 

[lil'skeet]

Damn those pesky Russkies. Always metaling in our business.
I bet Scooby Doo could solve this mystery.

 

[timc]

I spoke with Miles about it a couple weeks ago. Paperwork ”issue” that the ATF originally said wasn’t an issue. It’s ridiculous how this administration runs rampant and without recourse.
wish there was a way to help him fight it as I’ve bought 90% of my firearms from him and have gotten the best prices from him

He always has one of the best selections of firearms

Great guy who got screwed by the ATF.