Rebel_Rider1969
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Was looking at a 5.7 pistol, figured as I have no 5.7 ammo I'd better check first. Cheapest I see is $1 a shot. Don't think I'll be jumping into a new caliber. I'll just stick to the 22 mag.
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Yep. I've got the pmr and cmr. Very nice. Bought a pile of 22mag 4k? So I'm good on that for a bit. Looking at the numbers the 22 mag is pretty close to the 5.7. Just no pointy bullet.Yea I never bought on to the 5.7 craze... Just another gimmick.
With two PMR30's and an CMR 30. The only Keltec stuff I like and a butt load of .22 mag you can't go wrong.
Now if they release the HK MP7 and some 4.6x30 to the public... I'm in
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Oh I have pointy .22 Mag. They do make it.Yep. I've got the pmr and cmr. Very nice. Bought a pile of 22mag 4k? So I'm good on that for a bit. Looking at the numbers the 22 mag is pretty close to the 5.7. Just no pointy bullet.
When ya run out it becomes a club...If ya think about it tho. It's high. But it's a box of 50 defense quality rounds. People pay that much for a box of 20 of defense quality 9mm. Well not exactly the same but u get the idea. So it's high now yes. What is needed is a cheaper plinker priced option. American eagle is cheapest now. Bit it can be alot cheaper. As it stands now fiochi makes it all here. Not sure about the Speer gold dot and who makes that. So with the all the new 57 owners hopefully more makers make some and lower the prices. But yeah after turning my ruger 57 into a MP-57 I love mine. A buddy from the forum here came over and shot it also and is now about to build himself one also. Imo it's a great truck/but out gun so long as ya had time to collect ammo.
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I nearly bought one a few times before I chose 5.7. They're neat pistols. There's There's guy on YouTube using cp33 and other guns like these in a new way called cheek shooting. Works great. Even works good for clearing rooms. I myself like to not have my face that close to the chamber tho unless it's seriously justified. Just in case of an out of battery etc. But he does well. I'd like to see a model made with safety in mind with added protection for a face that close. Be a great option for if and when braces are banned. Not sure if that model can be used that way or not tho I'd have to check. But other keltecs work good for it. The MP-57 I have does also. Kind of a neat little rabbithole to explore that you may like if you're a keltec fan that ya may wanna check outIMO - -> the price of gun,the price of ammo,upgraded or extra parts,and support in general for the 5.7 and the PMR does not justify (for me) steppimg into the 5.7 game.
I will gadly stick with my PMR. --- SAWMAN
If you like that pmr30, you'd love the CMR30. Accurate and mo' zip!IMO - -> the price of gun,the price of ammo,upgraded or extra parts,and support in general for the 5.7 and the PMR does not justify (for me) steppimg into the 5.7 game.
I will gadly stick with my PMR. --- SAWMAN
Seems like it would not be that hard to fabricate a shell deflector for your pistol, to protect your face. Bolt it to a rail... maybe using an old cheap aluminum body weapon light for it's QD hardware, with some self tapping screws thru the sheet metal and into the aluminum battery compartment, and then bend the sheet metal up and over the slide. Then snip it to the shape you want and paint it. As far as the 5.7 caliber, it's just another 22 in my book. If I want penetration in a 22, there's no reason to reinvent the wheel. I suspect FN spent all that R&D money inventing the ammo to work in their new fangled carbine, just to have it not be so widely accepted as they hoped, so FN needed a pistol in that caliber in order for the caliber to not be obsolete. Pistols are outselling rifles like 9 to 1, so it makes sense from a marketing standpoint. But a pistol, any pistol, just doesn't need the unique lubed cases and a straight walled case's ability to roll in a horizontal mag that the overpriced FN5.7 caliber has (the keltec pistol is the one exception). If you look at it as rifle ammo, it's actually fairly well priced at a $1 per. By comparison, the 350 Legend (with its straight walled cases and similar small cult following with shooters) is well over a $1 per, even at WalmartI nearly bought one a few times before I chose 5.7. They're neat pistols. There's There's guy on YouTube using cp33 and other guns like these in a new way called cheek shooting. Works great. Even works good for clearing rooms. I myself like to not have my face that close to the chamber tho unless it's seriously justified. Just in case of an out of battery etc. But he does well. I'd like to see a model made with safety in mind with added protection for a face that close. Be a great option for if and when braces are banned. Not sure if that model can be used that way or not tho I'd have to check. But other keltecs work good for it. The MP-57 I have does also. Kind of a neat little rabbithole to explore that you may like if you're a keltec fan that ya may wanna check out
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How else would you get the penetration/power without bottlenecking the 22 round? And as far as why the round was made I've always heard it was cause they asked for a round capable of defeating Russian body armor. So they came up with that. Then the gun. I'm no expert tho. But after NATO didn't pick it up it kinda stagnated for whatever reasons. As far as penetration even with the watered down civvie loads they make here.. go watch 22 plinkster sling some thru some 2 inch bulletproof glass. It's on YouTube. But yeah the rounds used to be... and still can be again real cheap. Just need more to make them. Gotta go to work but yeah takes all day to explain the pros n cons lolSeems like it would not be that hard to fabricate a shell deflector for your pistol, to protect your face. Bolt it to a rail... maybe using an old cheap aluminum body weapon light for it's QD hardware, with some self tapping screws thru the sheet metal and into the aluminum battery compartment, and then bend the sheet metal up and over the slide. Then snip it to the shape you want and paint it. As far as the 5.7 caliber, it's just another 22 in my book. If I want penetration in a 22, there's no reason to reinvent the wheel. I suspect FN spent all that R&D money inventing the ammo to work in their new fangled carbine, just to have it not be so widely accepted as they hoped, so FN needed a pistol in that caliber in order for the caliber to not be obsolete. Pistols are outselling rifles like 9 to 1, so it makes sense from a marketing standpoint. But a pistol, any pistol, just doesn't need the unique lubed cases and a straight walled case's ability to roll in a horizontal mag that the overpriced FN5.7 caliber has (the keltec pistol is the one exception). If you look at it as rifle ammo, it's actually fairly well priced at a $1 per. By comparison, the 350 Legend (with its straight walled cases and similar small cult following with shooters) is well over a $1 per, even at Walmart
I just bought a PS90, and boy are they charging through the nose for ammo, when you can find it. The problem is that even in the best of times there are very few brands that make it. So now supply and demand are turned on their heads. There is hardly any available, and when you find it the price is outrageous.Was looking at a 5.7 pistol, figured as I have no 5.7 ammo I'd better check first. Cheapest I see is $1 a shot. Don't think I'll be jumping into a new caliber. I'll just stick to the 22 mag.