Target Sports

Cop fires 12 rounds at bad guy ***language!!!

The #1 community for Gun Owners of the Gulf Coast States

Member Benefits:

  • Fewer Ads!
  • Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership
  • Discuss anti-gun legislation
  • Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section
  • Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses
  • Discover free outdoor shooting areas
  • View up to date on firearm-related events
  • Share photos & video with other members
  • ...and so much more!
  • FrommerStop

    Master
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Joined
    Apr 7, 2016
    Messages
    6,897
    Points
    113
    Location
    NWFL
    Pistols are pistols and rifles-shotguns are in a different class.
    but we do know mental state can overide non CNS hit physical reactions.
    A properly motivated man even when wounded can stay on his feet as long as his brain & CNS is reasonably intact and receives oxygen and the skeleton is intact enough to bear the weight of his body.
    There are cases of humans surviving for short periods of times multiple hand gun hits.
    A typical police handgun is way behind energy wise relative to the amount of energy it delivers and tissue destruction that it causes. Your subsonic 300 blackout loads are pistol like.
    People claim that hot loaded .357 mag bullets in a longer barrel revolver with reasonable frangibility have rifle like wounding properties and has been used for deer hunting.
    The goblin might take 12 125 +P 9 mm bullets, but unlikely to require 12 COM 30 cal 125 grain fully load 30-06 bullets at 3000 +FPS

    Compare the below to a 9mm pistol load
    Remington® .30-06 Sprg.® 125 Grain PSP Ammunition
    • Caliber: .30-06 Sprg.® Ammo
    • Bullet Weight Grains: 125
    • Bullet Style: Pointed Soft-Point
    • Muzzle Velocity (F.P.S.): 3,140
    • Muzzle Energy (ft.-lbs.): 2,736
    • Rounds: 20


    The BG rammed his vehicles into other vehicles, what initiated that: road rage anger, drugs/alcohol or just a psychotic episode/breakdown? The engagement with the Officer was a continuation of that without mental seperation betweent the two. There may well have been another triggering issue before the vehicles crunches: was he fired from work, divorce dropped in his lap, find spouse in motel with someone, other major issues coming to a head? We dont know the initial trigger and snow ball effect involved but we do know mental state can overide non CNS hit physical reactions. Officers trigger work was fast and ultimately got the job done, shot placement trumps volume. I'll also note that there was little time between shots for the "walking dead" body to respond to those hits on top of the adrenaline, endorphins and mental state motivation(s). If we recall sound information on handgun "One Shot Stops", that are not CNS hits; we know the "recipients mindset" plays the large role in their effectiveness. We don't hesitate between shots to measure effectiveness, "we must mentally register" the totality of shot results until "stop" is achieved AND then we turn off our response. Shots that "continue" after initial signs of collapse are often the result of this mental delay. It is not excessive force. It is fortunate the BG wasn't firing a gun during the delay to incompaitation.

    This is not a good reference for a case study of 9 vs 357Sig vs 40 vs 10 vs 45. We can assume with confidence that the LEO's cartridge type (regardless of caliber) was highly rated. I can't draw caliber vs caliber conclusions as shot #1, 3, 7 or 10 could have been fatal given time for mental and physical reaction. Would a slight difference in expansion or velocity have been "more" incapacitating in the exact same hit locations given the short time span from first shot to last? I don't think so. We shoot until the threat stops. More capacity has always been better than less, when that is the only consideration. If our capacity has been expend we do survival things: block, strike, use knife, egress, use barriers, reload and so on. If BG crumples/stopped anywhere during the procsss you win. Life is rarely like TV. IMHO/YMMV
     
    Top Bottom