Anybody using this Thermal? AGM Rattler

[Rebel_Rider1969]

My bride saw this for sale. $850.?
The #TS19 model. They also had the TS25 for 999. Thinking it would be good for my RARR x39

 

[rkflorey]

Someone just had the TS25 on gun deals for $850

 

[RHINOWSO]

I have an AGM, different model and it's been great.

The TS19 / TS25 are budget because of their slow refresh rate (25hz). Basically it takes longer for the image to update due to optic / rifle movement or target movement.

You really will want 50hz; those models are about double but you will notice the lag in a 25hz and want something better.

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

I have an AGM, different model and it's been great.

The TS19 / TS25 are budget because of their slow refresh rate (25hz). Basically it takes longer for the image to update due to optic / rifle movement or target movement.

You really will want 50hz; those models are about double but you will notice the lag in a 25hz and want something better.

Thanks for the heads up. I'm only shooting at about 100 yards. Using the sightmark wraith now, so I'm sure the cheaper thermal one would be 1000% better than my current nv, lol.

 

[DAS HUGH!]

I've decided I'm going to save up for a Pulsar. I've watches videos of how they have that dual zoom picture in picture technology that allows you to be zoomed at max level, and zoomed out max at the same time. The top zoom window will be small. The rest of the image will be zoomed out. That way once you take you're precise shot, you can immediately transition to cleaning up the rest of the targets immediately without losing sight of them. It's hard to describe here in words. Man oh man tho was this guy a terror with one tho. He mopped up a whole sounder nearly one after the other while they was in full gallop lol. It's a very deadly scope

 

[Longtooth]

I have one! I really like it. But Like @RHINOWSO said, the refresh rate is annoying.

 

[RHINOWSO]

Pulsar is nice too, I have their older entry level RXQ30V 1.6-6.4x22; it has the Picture In Picture described above.

I don't believe they make it anymore and lots of AGM units rival it for the same price (and they are probably made in the same factory, or have a lot of the same components).

There is a lot available at the $2K price point which used to only be available for $4K plus.

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

I have one! I really like it. But Like @RHINOWSO said, the refresh rate is annoying.

Yeah. I need to watch more videos on it. You have the ts19 or the 25??

 

[Longtooth]

Yeah. I need to watch more videos on it. You have the ts19 or the 25??

I believe it was the 19

 

[Daezee]

Regarding refresh rate: This is my observation. My old thermal (now used as a hand held unit, but it still could be rifle mounted and used) has a 30 hz refresh rate. When looking through it and moving what you're looking at, say you are scanning a field from side to side (as opposed to holding it still on one spot/area of the field), the view will have some blurring to it. The faster the movement of the thermal, the worse the blurring on the screen. When you stop moving the thermal, the image then quickly sharpens up as in almost instantly. With a 60 hz unit, I don't notice any blurring when moving the thermal across the field or following animals running.

So, scanning with the old 30 hz unit, I simply don't swing it fast and have no problems (the view looks a bit nauseating when done real fast). One simply learns real quick how fast you can move the thermal when scanning without a blurred view on the thermal's screen. When I used it on a rifle, I killed many a hog/armadillo over the years.

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

I have one! I really like it. But Like @RHINOWSO said, the refresh rate is annoying.

Do you still have it??

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

Regarding refresh rate: This is my observation. My old thermal (now used as a hand held unit, but it still could be rifle mounted and used) has a 30 hz refresh rate. When looking through it and moving what you're looking at, say you are scanning a field from side to side (as opposed to holding it still on one spot/area of the field), the view will have some blurring to it. The faster the movement of the thermal, the worse the blurring on the screen. When you stop moving the thermal, the image then quickly sharpens up as in almost instantly. With a 60 hz unit, I don't notice any blurring when moving the thermal across the field or following animals running.

So, scanning with the old 30 hz unit, I simply don't swing it fast and have no problems (the view looks a bit nauseating when done real fast). One simply learns real quick how fast you can move the thermal when scanning without a blurred view on the thermal's screen. When I used it on a rifle, I killed many a hog/armadillo over the years.

Might be ok for scanning, flash blur might catch your eye better?

 

[Daezee]

Might be ok for scanning, flash blur might catch your eye better?

When I say "blur", I mean to my eyes the screen is out of focus. Simply swing the thermal when scanning a bit slower. Looking back in time, I didn't get doubles, triples, and quadruple kills until I got my 60 hz thermal. Was it because of blur with old unit or was it gaining experience and a mental attitude of I'm gonna shoot more than one or was it a faster refresh rate of the viewing screen inside the 60 hz thermal or a combination...I don't know. But don't let a slower refresh rate bother you.

4 yr old video discussion of refresh rates

 

[Longtooth]

Do you still have it??

I do! I have only sighted it in so far. looking forward to some pest control with it soon.

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

I do! I have only sighted it in so far. looking forward to some pest control with it soon.

Do a full report!!

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

** My new place will be walking distance to my stand and looking forward to pesting more in the non deer season months. Crows, dillos, possums, coons, squrils, foxes, yotes and maybe the occasional hog are on notice!

 

[RHINOWSO]

I'm sure from a static position a lower Hz unit will be fine. But like all optics, don't look through a better unit or then you'll 'want' that one, etc...

 

[Rebel_Rider1969]

I'm sure from a static position a lower Hz unit will be fine. But like all optics, don't look through a better unit or then you'll 'want' that one, etc...

I'm gonna wait a bit and put some hours on the NV during nighttime. If it works good for my purpose I'll stick with it. Works great during the day! Hornady 55gr amax. Old pre-Taurus <DB> ar. 1:9. Cold bore shots with this one are dead on, my only factory built AR. Pop and flop. Need to shim the nv light to get it centered.

 

[Longtooth]

How do you like the NV vs the Thermal?

 

[Raven]

I'm gonna wait a bit and put some hours on the NV during nighttime. If it works good for my purpose I'll stick with it. Works great during the day! Hornady 55gr amax. Old pre-Taurus <DB> ar. 1:9. Cold bore shots with this one are dead on, my only factory built AR. Pop and flop. Need to shim the nv light to get it centered. View attachment 191106 View attachment 191107 View attachment 191108

What yardage was that bird at?