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    It’s just a version of portable lockable storage. Same pros and cons of a small “pistol safe” case, or lockable jewelry box.
     

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    That’s an awful lot of steps for drilling a hole.

    I remember a lesson/exercise we did in grade school. “Write instructions on how to do something simple.” For instance, how to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Then, for each “tutorial”, the teacher would show the class and follow the instructions, literally. If you skipped an important step, it would become obvious.

    Get the bread, peanut butter and jelly.
    Put the peanut butter on one slice of bread.
    Put the jelly on another slice.
    Put the slices together.

    You ended up with two pieces of bread that were individually crushed by a jar of peanut butter and a jar of jelly... because you didn’t specify “opening the jars”, or spreading the contents with a butter knife, etc.

    “Drill a hole in the can for a lock.”

    I was just offering more details.
    (as mentioned in the third sentence of Post #1)

    You are obviously free to ignore and experiment on your own cans and locks to discover where the hole placement works and doesn’t, what size locks and cables will fit and won’t, and how much de-burring is required or isn’t.

    “If you have a different way you like, or improvement suggestions to this one, let us all know!” (last sentence of post #2.) :)
     

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    ANS in Ft Walton sells a commercially available ammo can lock, all neatly packaged. I saw it by their front door, to the left as entering the store. On the right of the front door is a chest high pile of ammo cans, all kinds of sizes, to try it on :)
     

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    As an update, another member found this YouTube link of how to defeat that MasterLock 4688:




    Even though most padlocks and combo locks can be defeated almost as easily, this means someone could open the lock without you knowing. Just be advised.

    It’s just meant “to keep an honest thief honest”.

    Good info, though.

    You want security don't ever ever never never buy a lock made by Master. LOL They are by design made to be picked or defeated easy.

    One of the locks I like are ABUS with changeable core's. If you want them keys alike you can buy the cores separate.

    The typical gun safe mechanical lock by design lets you be off by several numbers when doing the combo. You can get better S&G locks that have to be dead on. Most consumer grade locks are crap.

    Just FYI.


    :)
     

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    All you need is to find out if it's been opened. Just simple twist wire with a lead seal tells you if it's been opened or not as long as they're guarded by a firearm shouldn't be a problem. If you expect something to be unguarded and be secured prior piss poor planning on your part does not represent an emergency response on my part. YMMV.
     

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    You want security don't ever ever never never buy a lock made by Master. LOL They are by design made to be picked or defeated easy.

    One of the locks I like are ABUS with changeable core's. If you want them keys alike you can buy the cores separate.

    The typical gun safe mechanical lock by design lets you be off by several numbers when doing the combo. You can get better S&G locks that have to be dead on. Most consumer grade locks are crap.

    Just FYI.


    :)


    All very true. My “lockable” solution is simply to keep some items “secured” from casual curiosity by an unescorted guest. I have zero delusions about how easy it is to defeat that lock, or many others as you pointed out.

    All locks can be defeated with enough time and tools. Some are just more difficult than others.
    I don’t need an ammo depot vault lock on an ammo can.
     

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    ANS in Ft Walton sells a commercially available ammo can lock, all neatly packaged. I saw it by their front door, to the left as entering the store. On the right of the front door is a chest high pile of ammo cans, all kinds of sizes, to try it on :)


    Yup. Requires drilling at least one hole through the body of the can, but it allows for a beefier shackle padlock.
     

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    All you need is to find out if it's been opened. Just simple twist wire with a lead seal tells you if it's been opened or not as long as they're guarded by a firearm shouldn't be a problem. If you expect something to be unguarded and be secured prior piss poor planning on your part does not represent an emergency response on my part. YMMV.

    Sure, that’s a great solution for something you don’t access often but want to be able to check for tampering at a glance.
     

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    Sure, that’s a great solution for something you don’t access often but want to be able to check for tampering at a glance.
    If you desire it to be secure than it needs to be under guard. If you desire simple obvious tampering than safety wire with a seal is enough. Do you want to know when it's been compromised at a glance, or is the goal to keep it from being compromised?
    Sure, that’s a great solution for something you don’t access often but want to be able to check for tampering at a glance.
     

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    If you desire it to be secure than it needs to be under guard. If you desire simple obvious tampering than safety wire with a seal is enough. Do you want to know when it's been compromised at a glance, or is the goal to keep it from being compromised?

    It’s just another option and layer of protection.

    Locked doors and windows. Vehicles locked in the driveway. Security system and a sign out front. Well-trained dogs. Situational awareness. Carry often or have a weapon nearby. Lock your safe(s) when not in use. Lock your _____ (whatever valuable/dangerous/private/etc items you wish) when not in use.

    If I have guests that I trust in the house, then I have to trust them to a point. I also have to sleep at some point. Everything in life has some level of risk of undesirable outcomes.
     

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    It’s just another option and layer of protection.

    Locked doors and windows. Vehicles locked in the driveway. Security system and a sign out front. Well-trained dogs. Situational awareness. Carry often or have a weapon nearby. Lock your safe(s) when not in use. Lock your _____ (whatever valuable/dangerous/private/etc items you wish) when not in use.

    If I have guests that I trust in the house, then I have to trust them to a point. I also have to sleep at some point. Everything in life has some level of risk of undesirable outcomes.
    My only fear is failure, all things can easily be replaced. Charges placed under your trust may be of more importance than that of your own life? But if you fail to keep them secure at the cost of your own life that could be considered a failure.How important was that ammo again in the BIG Picture?
     

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    My only fear is failure, all things can easily be replaced. Charges placed under your trust may be of more importance than that of your own life? But if you fail to keep them secure at the cost of your own life that could be considered a failure.How important was that ammo again in the BIG Picture?

    When you type “Charges places under your trust”, it seems like you are referring to kids? I’m not sure what you mean.

    This thread is about being able to lock a water-resistant/proof portable container. Securing kids or valuables equal-to or more-important-than your life isn’t a realistic expected outcome, so I don’t understand your point.
     

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    When you type “Charges places under your trust”, it seems like you are referring to kids? I’m not sure what you mean.

    This thread is about being able to lock a water-resistant/proof portable container. Securing kids or valuables equal-to or more-important-than your life isn’t a realistic expected outcome, so I don’t understand your point.
    The items you list are easily stored in watertight mil-spec ammo cans. They are just tools to be used for a higher purpose. Are you concerned that the tools won't pass muster after being submerged? Or that you would need to retrieve the submerged tools to complete the Mission? And as such would need an easy visual while submerged to verify that they where still useable tools? Most questions are mission specific, yet most of US tend to keep the mission close to our vests. ??? If I've misinterpreted your question Please accept my apology. Just wondering what was the point of locking a can with a handle so that you could just pick it up and walk away with it?
     
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    Snake-Eyes

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    ... Just wondering what was the point of locking a can with a handle so that you could just pick it up and walk away with it?

    Same reason there are lockable book-sized “gun safes”, or padlock loops on suitcase zippers: to restrict easy access.

    All of those containers are easily portable.
    All of those locks on those containers can be bypassed with the right tools and time.

    It’s just a means to restrict quick unfettered access to the contents.

    If you are worried about someone stealing the entire can, then the presence of a “lock” is irrelevant.
     

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    I remember a lesson/exercise we did in grade school. “Write instructions on how to do something simple.” For instance, how to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Then, for each “tutorial”, the teacher would show the class and follow the instructions, literally. If you skipped an important step, it would become obvious.

    Get the bread, peanut butter and jelly.
    Put the peanut butter on one slice of bread.
    Put the jelly on another slice.
    Put the slices together.

    You ended up with two pieces of bread that were individually crushed by a jar of peanut butter and a jar of jelly... because you didn’t specify “opening the jars”, or spreading the contents with a butter knife, etc.

    “Drill a hole in the can for a lock.”

    I was just offering more details.
    (as mentioned in the third sentence of Post #1)

    You are obviously free to ignore and experiment on your own cans and locks to discover where the hole placement works and doesn’t, what size locks and cables will fit and won’t, and how much de-burring is required or isn’t.

    “If you have a different way you like, or improvement suggestions to this one, let us all know!” (last sentence of post #2.) :)
    I believe that is the equivalent of common core math.
    The reason the 2 newest generations have problems thinking for themselves.
     

    Snake-Eyes

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    I believe that is the equivalent of common core math.
    The reason the 2 newest generations have problems thinking for themselves.

    I disagree about the comparison. “Common core math” is all of the recessive genes from the methodologies of pure mental math and pure paper math. It’s overly redundant and complicated. Definitely a government lab experiment. It pisses all over the unique opportunity to teach a young mind HOW to arrive at a consistently correct answer with minimal complication. It’s a travesty.

    The “instructions” lesson I shared wasn’t aimed at literally how to write a manual, it was to teach a bunch of points:
    -There are many important steps in even the “simplest” task.
    -Many opportunities to improve the process.
    -Many scenarios that could lead to failure.
    -Many different ways to achieve the same end result.
    -Planning is important.
    -Thinking through a process in detail leads to more effective preparation.
    -If (when) things go wrong, readjust and keep going, or start again with a better plan.
    -Communication is team sport.
    -Misunderstandings happen.
    -Don’t be so quick to ASSume.
    -Consider your audience.
    -The human mind is incredible.

    Try it on yourself. Pick a very simple thing you do everyday, and make a list of steps. If you really spend a few minutes, you could turn “get a glass of water” into a NASA checklist of grip-pressure and arm movements and coordinated timing and flow rates and angles of approach to either your mouth or the kitchen counter.

    It’s a marvel what we accomplish on “auto-pilot” everyday.

    That doesn’t mean you take three-days to teach a kid how to get a glass of water. It’s just an observation of how many intermediate steps are taken for granted, and they’re only given attention if there is a “problem somewhere”.

    Anyway. I just took some pictures and laid out some details to save folks from having to re-invent a wheel or two.

    “Drill a hole in a can” for those of you who prefer it. :)
     

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    Would safety wire and safety wire pliers with a wax seal work as well for a deterant? Lot less expensive than padlocks. If the goal is to just hamper access twisted safety wire is pretty tough to wrangle.
     

    Snake-Eyes

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    Would safety wire and safety wire pliers with a wax seal work as well for a deterant? Lot less expensive than padlocks. If the goal is to just hamper access twisted safety wire is pretty tough to wrangle.

    Yup. That would work for that application.
     
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