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I came to terms with this when I had cancer. You don't have to sell them Frank. I'm carrying all my crap right to the day I die. Let somebody else do that afterwards but for now they're mine and all mine and I'm keeping them
J pace
Marksman
I understand where Frank is coming from, You don't wanna leave something else for your wife to have to deal with. If you don't have sons or grandsons (or possibly a buddy, I know that has happened on this forum before) But whoever it is there should be an understanding beforehand. With me it's not the guns I have 4 grandsons. It is the farm. Everybody has an interest in the land but they all live too for a way to take care of the animals.So we are in the process of downsizing to something that is manageable. At 1 time there was 20 horses about that many Fainting goat, As many as 50 chickens at least that many rabbits a couple of pigs And probably 25 peacocks. Not to mention the doves
and quail. Many of us are getting older and it is time for us to get our affairs in order.
Rebel_Rider1969
Well Known Nuisance
My bride thinks she wants peacocks...
Bay Ranger
Master
I have 2 grandsons that don't seem to be too interested in shooting/hunting. I don't know about leaving my stuff to them. I struggled about my stuff when we established our trust. My oldest daughter is our exectutor for the trust and she lives in WA (the state) - and your know about those kind of people! Anyway, I had a conversation with her about disposing of my firearms and she should work with some friends/relatives to make sure she gets the true value for the guns. Her comment to me was that if I am concerned about getting a true value I should sell the myself. So, that's what I have been doing, Although it pains me I have sold off some of my higher value guns. Basically, getting down to just "shooters"I came to terms with this when I had cancer. You don't have to sell them Frank. I'm carrying all my crap right to the day I die. Let somebody else do that afterwards but for now they're mine and all mine and I'm keeping them
FrankT
6.8 SPCII Hog Slayer
yeah not going to place that burden on the wife, she asked me not to specificallyI came to terms with this when I had cancer. You don't have to sell them Frank. I'm carrying all my crap right to the day I die. Let somebody else do that afterwards but for now they're mine and all mine and I'm keeping them
they will scratch your trucks, cars and anything else up, by landing on them.. but they are good watchdog birds
J pace
Marksman
I would rather sell them at a 30% discount Because that's about what it's going to cost you on consignment.
and what have we become since men like this were alive?
i am in his blood line.
Daniel Boone Captured at Blue Licks Kentucky
On Sunday morning, February 8, 1778 at Blue Licks, Kentucky - Chief Blackfish of the Shawnee tribe, with 102 warriors, captured a salt-making party of 27 people at Blue Licks. Among the captives was Daniel Boone, before he became a famous figure.
Blackfish had told Boone that if there was the slightest resistance, he would be the first to die.
The men at the spring were not working because the river water was high and covering the spring, but were lying about on their blankets, taking a day of rest, and enjoying the sunshine, even though there was 5 or 6 inches of snow on the ground. They at first mistook Daniel and the Indians for Capt. Watkins and the relief party that they had been expecting, but soon recognized the Indians and scrambled for their guns. Daniel shouted, "Don't fire! If you do, all will be massacred!" They obeyed, with some reluctance.
William and Samuel Brooks, the brothers of Boone's scout, Thomas Brooks, were the last to give up their weapons, but they finally added their rifles to the others. When all the arms were stacked the Indians came in from every side, encircled the men and ordered them to sit down together. The Indians were elated. They had captured 27 white men without firing a shot! Some of the warriors wanted to kill the saltmakers immediately in revenge for the death of their Chief Cornstalk. Cornstalk had been killed while on a peaceful mission, and could not be avenged without the spilling of blood, they argued. They wanted to kill the saltmakers and then go on to Boonesborough!
The Indian chiefs had the power to rule only through the consent of their followers. Since so many of the warriors wanted to kill the saltmakers in opposition to the chief's desires, a meeting was called to hear arguments, pro and con. Blackfish invited Boone to join the circle while the warriors in the council presented their arguments to the chiefs. Pompey sat close to Boone and whispered the translations into his ear. One after the other, in a process that lasted several hours, the warriors presented their arguments, both for and against.
The saltmakers did not understand the Algonquian language and could not hear what Pompey was saying to Daniel Boone. Finally, Blackfish offered Boone the opportunity to make the closing argument. He spoke in English, with pauses for translations, and the saltmakers realized for the first time that it was their very lives that hung in balance.
Here is Daniel's speech as remembered by those who were present and who reconstructed it in later years:
"Brothers! What I have promised you, I can much better fulfill in the spring than now. Then the weather will be warm, and the women and children can travel from Boonesborough to the Indian towns, and all live with you as one people. You have got all the young men.
To kill them, as has been suggested, would displease the Great Spirit, and you could not then expect future success in hunting nor war. If you spare them, they will make you fine warriors, and excellent hunters to kill game for your squaws and children. These young men have done you no harm. They unresistingly surrendered upon my assurance that such a step was the only safe one. I consented to their capitulation on the express condition that they should be made prisoners of war and treated well. Spare them, and the Great Spirit will smile upon you."
The vote was taken. Fifty-nine warriors voted for killing the captives. Sixty-one voted to let them live. Boone said later that he thought the chiefs had let him speak because they wanted to keep their promise to him.
They made preparations for the march to the Indians towns. They took some of the salt, and destroyed the rest. One of the braves handed Boone a kettle to carry, and Boone shoved it back at him so violently that the brave fell down, and then jumped up and came at Boone with an upraised tomahawk. Blackfish stepped in between them, and the warrior slunk off.
They set off, and traveled to early evening, when they stopped for the night. Boone noticed some of the Indians clearing ground for what looked like a gauntlet, and grabbing Pompey, made a protest to Blackfish that he had said he would not make his men run a gauntlet. Blackfish replied that the gauntlet was not for the men, but it was for Boone, since he had made no provision for himself. Blackfish gave him the option of running the gauntlet here or waiting until they arrived at Chillicothe, Blackfish?s town on the Little Miami River. Boone chose to run the gauntlet here, since, he said "I am a man, and no squaw, and not afraid to run. I prefer to do it here in the presence of men and warriors and not before mere squaws and children." (They were a little sexist in those days.)
He ran the gauntlet at full speed, running close to one side where the Indians could not get a good blow at him, and then swerving to the other side. Near the end of the line a warrior stepped out into the center and was prepared to deliver a hard blow, when Boone bowed his head and butted the Indian in the chest while running at full speed, knocking the Indian down. This greatly amused the other Indians. They shook Boone's hand and said "Velly good sojer!" and looked askance at the brave, saying "Damned squaw!" Daniel suffered only minor injuries.
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i am in his blood line.
Daniel Boone Captured at Blue Licks Kentucky
On Sunday morning, February 8, 1778 at Blue Licks, Kentucky - Chief Blackfish of the Shawnee tribe, with 102 warriors, captured a salt-making party of 27 people at Blue Licks. Among the captives was Daniel Boone, before he became a famous figure.
Blackfish had told Boone that if there was the slightest resistance, he would be the first to die.
The men at the spring were not working because the river water was high and covering the spring, but were lying about on their blankets, taking a day of rest, and enjoying the sunshine, even though there was 5 or 6 inches of snow on the ground. They at first mistook Daniel and the Indians for Capt. Watkins and the relief party that they had been expecting, but soon recognized the Indians and scrambled for their guns. Daniel shouted, "Don't fire! If you do, all will be massacred!" They obeyed, with some reluctance.
William and Samuel Brooks, the brothers of Boone's scout, Thomas Brooks, were the last to give up their weapons, but they finally added their rifles to the others. When all the arms were stacked the Indians came in from every side, encircled the men and ordered them to sit down together. The Indians were elated. They had captured 27 white men without firing a shot! Some of the warriors wanted to kill the saltmakers immediately in revenge for the death of their Chief Cornstalk. Cornstalk had been killed while on a peaceful mission, and could not be avenged without the spilling of blood, they argued. They wanted to kill the saltmakers and then go on to Boonesborough!
The Indian chiefs had the power to rule only through the consent of their followers. Since so many of the warriors wanted to kill the saltmakers in opposition to the chief's desires, a meeting was called to hear arguments, pro and con. Blackfish invited Boone to join the circle while the warriors in the council presented their arguments to the chiefs. Pompey sat close to Boone and whispered the translations into his ear. One after the other, in a process that lasted several hours, the warriors presented their arguments, both for and against.
The saltmakers did not understand the Algonquian language and could not hear what Pompey was saying to Daniel Boone. Finally, Blackfish offered Boone the opportunity to make the closing argument. He spoke in English, with pauses for translations, and the saltmakers realized for the first time that it was their very lives that hung in balance.
Here is Daniel's speech as remembered by those who were present and who reconstructed it in later years:
"Brothers! What I have promised you, I can much better fulfill in the spring than now. Then the weather will be warm, and the women and children can travel from Boonesborough to the Indian towns, and all live with you as one people. You have got all the young men.
To kill them, as has been suggested, would displease the Great Spirit, and you could not then expect future success in hunting nor war. If you spare them, they will make you fine warriors, and excellent hunters to kill game for your squaws and children. These young men have done you no harm. They unresistingly surrendered upon my assurance that such a step was the only safe one. I consented to their capitulation on the express condition that they should be made prisoners of war and treated well. Spare them, and the Great Spirit will smile upon you."
The vote was taken. Fifty-nine warriors voted for killing the captives. Sixty-one voted to let them live. Boone said later that he thought the chiefs had let him speak because they wanted to keep their promise to him.
They made preparations for the march to the Indians towns. They took some of the salt, and destroyed the rest. One of the braves handed Boone a kettle to carry, and Boone shoved it back at him so violently that the brave fell down, and then jumped up and came at Boone with an upraised tomahawk. Blackfish stepped in between them, and the warrior slunk off.
They set off, and traveled to early evening, when they stopped for the night. Boone noticed some of the Indians clearing ground for what looked like a gauntlet, and grabbing Pompey, made a protest to Blackfish that he had said he would not make his men run a gauntlet. Blackfish replied that the gauntlet was not for the men, but it was for Boone, since he had made no provision for himself. Blackfish gave him the option of running the gauntlet here or waiting until they arrived at Chillicothe, Blackfish?s town on the Little Miami River. Boone chose to run the gauntlet here, since, he said "I am a man, and no squaw, and not afraid to run. I prefer to do it here in the presence of men and warriors and not before mere squaws and children." (They were a little sexist in those days.)
He ran the gauntlet at full speed, running close to one side where the Indians could not get a good blow at him, and then swerving to the other side. Near the end of the line a warrior stepped out into the center and was prepared to deliver a hard blow, when Boone bowed his head and butted the Indian in the chest while running at full speed, knocking the Indian down. This greatly amused the other Indians. They shook Boone's hand and said "Velly good sojer!" and looked askance at the brave, saying "Damned squaw!" Daniel suffered only minor injuries.
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Boone’s sister is a distant grandmother of mine so we might be distant cousins probably way way distant cousins.and what have we become since men like this were alive?
i am in his blood line.
Daniel Boone Captured at Blue Licks Kentucky
On Sunday morning, February 8, 1778 at Blue Licks, Kentucky - Chief Blackfish of the Shawnee tribe, with 102 warriors, captured a salt-making party of 27 people at Blue Licks. Among the captives was Daniel Boone, before he became a famous figure.
Blackfish had told Boone that if there was the slightest resistance, he would be the first to die.
The men at the spring were not working because the river water was high and covering the spring, but were lying about on their blankets, taking a day of rest, and enjoying the sunshine, even though there was 5 or 6 inches of snow on the ground. They at first mistook Daniel and the Indians for Capt. Watkins and the relief party that they had been expecting, but soon recognized the Indians and scrambled for their guns. Daniel shouted, "Don't fire! If you do, all will be massacred!" They obeyed, with some reluctance.
William and Samuel Brooks, the brothers of Boone's scout, Thomas Brooks, were the last to give up their weapons, but they finally added their rifles to the others. When all the arms were stacked the Indians came in from every side, encircled the men and ordered them to sit down together. The Indians were elated. They had captured 27 white men without firing a shot! Some of the warriors wanted to kill the saltmakers immediately in revenge for the death of their Chief Cornstalk. Cornstalk had been killed while on a peaceful mission, and could not be avenged without the spilling of blood, they argued. They wanted to kill the saltmakers and then go on to Boonesborough!
The Indian chiefs had the power to rule only through the consent of their followers. Since so many of the warriors wanted to kill the saltmakers in opposition to the chief's desires, a meeting was called to hear arguments, pro and con. Blackfish invited Boone to join the circle while the warriors in the council presented their arguments to the chiefs. Pompey sat close to Boone and whispered the translations into his ear. One after the other, in a process that lasted several hours, the warriors presented their arguments, both for and against.
The saltmakers did not understand the Algonquian language and could not hear what Pompey was saying to Daniel Boone. Finally, Blackfish offered Boone the opportunity to make the closing argument. He spoke in English, with pauses for translations, and the saltmakers realized for the first time that it was their very lives that hung in balance.
Here is Daniel's speech as remembered by those who were present and who reconstructed it in later years:
"Brothers! What I have promised you, I can much better fulfill in the spring than now. Then the weather will be warm, and the women and children can travel from Boonesborough to the Indian towns, and all live with you as one people. You have got all the young men.
To kill them, as has been suggested, would displease the Great Spirit, and you could not then expect future success in hunting nor war. If you spare them, they will make you fine warriors, and excellent hunters to kill game for your squaws and children. These young men have done you no harm. They unresistingly surrendered upon my assurance that such a step was the only safe one. I consented to their capitulation on the express condition that they should be made prisoners of war and treated well. Spare them, and the Great Spirit will smile upon you."
The vote was taken. Fifty-nine warriors voted for killing the captives. Sixty-one voted to let them live. Boone said later that he thought the chiefs had let him speak because they wanted to keep their promise to him.
They made preparations for the march to the Indians towns. They took some of the salt, and destroyed the rest. One of the braves handed Boone a kettle to carry, and Boone shoved it back at him so violently that the brave fell down, and then jumped up and came at Boone with an upraised tomahawk. Blackfish stepped in between them, and the warrior slunk off.
They set off, and traveled to early evening, when they stopped for the night. Boone noticed some of the Indians clearing ground for what looked like a gauntlet, and grabbing Pompey, made a protest to Blackfish that he had said he would not make his men run a gauntlet. Blackfish replied that the gauntlet was not for the men, but it was for Boone, since he had made no provision for himself. Blackfish gave him the option of running the gauntlet here or waiting until they arrived at Chillicothe, Blackfish?s town on the Little Miami River. Boone chose to run the gauntlet here, since, he said "I am a man, and no squaw, and not afraid to run. I prefer to do it here in the presence of men and warriors and not before mere squaws and children." (They were a little sexist in those days.)
He ran the gauntlet at full speed, running close to one side where the Indians could not get a good blow at him, and then swerving to the other side. Near the end of the line a warrior stepped out into the center and was prepared to deliver a hard blow, when Boone bowed his head and butted the Indian in the chest while running at full speed, knocking the Indian down. This greatly amused the other Indians. They shook Boone's hand and said "Velly good sojer!" and looked askance at the brave, saying "Damned squaw!" Daniel suffered only minor injuries.
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could be, as my name is smith also...
J pace
Marksman
Blackfish named Daniel little turtle and adopted him as his own son. He lived with them for 4 months before being able to escape.and what have we become since men like this were alive?
i am in his blood line.
Daniel Boone Captured at Blue Licks Kentucky
On Sunday morning, February 8, 1778 at Blue Licks, Kentucky - Chief Blackfish of the Shawnee tribe, with 102 warriors, captured a salt-making party of 27 people at Blue Licks. Among the captives was Daniel Boone, before he became a famous figure.
Blackfish had told Boone that if there was the slightest resistance, he would be the first to die.
The men at the spring were not working because the river water was high and covering the spring, but were lying about on their blankets, taking a day of rest, and enjoying the sunshine, even though there was 5 or 6 inches of snow on the ground. They at first mistook Daniel and the Indians for Capt. Watkins and the relief party that they had been expecting, but soon recognized the Indians and scrambled for their guns. Daniel shouted, "Don't fire! If you do, all will be massacred!" They obeyed, with some reluctance.
William and Samuel Brooks, the brothers of Boone's scout, Thomas Brooks, were the last to give up their weapons, but they finally added their rifles to the others. When all the arms were stacked the Indians came in from every side, encircled the men and ordered them to sit down together. The Indians were elated. They had captured 27 white men without firing a shot! Some of the warriors wanted to kill the saltmakers immediately in revenge for the death of their Chief Cornstalk. Cornstalk had been killed while on a peaceful mission, and could not be avenged without the spilling of blood, they argued. They wanted to kill the saltmakers and then go on to Boonesborough!
The Indian chiefs had the power to rule only through the consent of their followers. Since so many of the warriors wanted to kill the saltmakers in opposition to the chief's desires, a meeting was called to hear arguments, pro and con. Blackfish invited Boone to join the circle while the warriors in the council presented their arguments to the chiefs. Pompey sat close to Boone and whispered the translations into his ear. One after the other, in a process that lasted several hours, the warriors presented their arguments, both for and against.
The saltmakers did not understand the Algonquian language and could not hear what Pompey was saying to Daniel Boone. Finally, Blackfish offered Boone the opportunity to make the closing argument. He spoke in English, with pauses for translations, and the saltmakers realized for the first time that it was their very lives that hung in balance.
Here is Daniel's speech as remembered by those who were present and who reconstructed it in later years:
"Brothers! What I have promised you, I can much better fulfill in the spring than now. Then the weather will be warm, and the women and children can travel from Boonesborough to the Indian towns, and all live with you as one people. You have got all the young men.
To kill them, as has been suggested, would displease the Great Spirit, and you could not then expect future success in hunting nor war. If you spare them, they will make you fine warriors, and excellent hunters to kill game for your squaws and children. These young men have done you no harm. They unresistingly surrendered upon my assurance that such a step was the only safe one. I consented to their capitulation on the express condition that they should be made prisoners of war and treated well. Spare them, and the Great Spirit will smile upon you."
The vote was taken. Fifty-nine warriors voted for killing the captives. Sixty-one voted to let them live. Boone said later that he thought the chiefs had let him speak because they wanted to keep their promise to him.
They made preparations for the march to the Indians towns. They took some of the salt, and destroyed the rest. One of the braves handed Boone a kettle to carry, and Boone shoved it back at him so violently that the brave fell down, and then jumped up and came at Boone with an upraised tomahawk. Blackfish stepped in between them, and the warrior slunk off.
They set off, and traveled to early evening, when they stopped for the night. Boone noticed some of the Indians clearing ground for what looked like a gauntlet, and grabbing Pompey, made a protest to Blackfish that he had said he would not make his men run a gauntlet. Blackfish replied that the gauntlet was not for the men, but it was for Boone, since he had made no provision for himself. Blackfish gave him the option of running the gauntlet here or waiting until they arrived at Chillicothe, Blackfish?s town on the Little Miami River. Boone chose to run the gauntlet here, since, he said "I am a man, and no squaw, and not afraid to run. I prefer to do it here in the presence of men and warriors and not before mere squaws and children." (They were a little sexist in those days.)
He ran the gauntlet at full speed, running close to one side where the Indians could not get a good blow at him, and then swerving to the other side. Near the end of the line a warrior stepped out into the center and was prepared to deliver a hard blow, when Boone bowed his head and butted the Indian in the chest while running at full speed, knocking the Indian down. This greatly amused the other Indians. They shook Boone's hand and said "Velly good sojer!" and looked askance at the brave, saying "Damned squaw!" Daniel suffered only minor injuries.
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Rebel_Rider1969
Well Known Nuisance
I get a kick out of the " I don't like striker fired guns" guys. Hell ya been killing deer and each other for 150 years with em.
Did you know?!?! One turret from the Japanese battleship Yamato, weighs more than an entire Fletcher-class destroyer.
The Yamato's main armament consisted of nine 46 cm (18.1 inch) Type 94 main guns, which were the largest caliber guns ever mounted on a warship. The guns were arranged in three gun turrets, each gun weighed 147.3 tonnes and were 21.13 metres (69.3 ft) long. Read more about her here
https://navalhistoria.com/the-yamato-japans-behemoth.../
J pace
Marksman
And it made a good artificial reef
Did you know?!?! One turret from the Japanese battleship Yamato, weighs more than an entire Fletcher-class destroyer.
The Yamato's main armament consisted of nine 46 cm (18.1 inch) Type 94 main guns, which were the largest caliber guns ever mounted on a warship. The guns were arranged in three gun turrets, each gun weighed 147.3 tonnes and were 21.13 metres (69.3 ft) long. Read more about her here
https://navalhistoria.com/the-yamato-japans-behemoth.../
Rebel_Rider1969
Well Known Nuisance
Whew! Deer season is done. :-( I didn't get the chance to take a deer with my G40/G41, SCS. Just never had a good deer at a range i felt comfortable with. Have 0 doubts about the 10mm, 45acp. Vs deer.
Now I can switch back to my lighter yard gun dagger or G26. The G40 is a great weapon but it's a brick even in the chest rig. Can't imagine lugging one of those 500 magnums around.
Now I can switch back to my lighter yard gun dagger or G26. The G40 is a great weapon but it's a brick even in the chest rig. Can't imagine lugging one of those 500 magnums around.
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