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    I have no doubt Pitbulls are much better hunters. The number of dead and maimed people that they stack up every year is certainly a tribute to their hunting abilities.
    Pitbulls are like AR15s. If someone is shot by a shoulder arm it is an AR15 and if they are bitten, it is a pit bull.
    Bull terriers were not originally bred just to be companion dogs. Anytime terrier is put into a new bred, especially with bulldog, it is almost also related to ratting, hunting or fighting.
    The dog show and pet breeders like to dumb down breeds.
    My group is strongly discouraged from showing our dogs since it is assume that is a good way to wreck any type of farm dog.
     

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    Understand me right... I LOVED RITA... .. she was an amazing housedog and GIVE A TRY DOG. Strong yes,,No Athleticism. I had Read up on them for years and wanted the GENTLEMANS GLADIATOR... SOME willing but have not the ability or instinct. THATS OK. most dogs are just dogs. And the slight on maimed and dead People via PitBulls. NONSENSE.. That's not the dog that's the owner.... I have seen More bullterriers bite owners,,in Sweden, because of bad nerves.. I have handled dozens of Pitbulls in very stressed situations AND HAVE NEVER BEEN BIT. In fact IF you check stats...Many idiots cross pitbulls with PEOPLE BITERS.. I am ONLY talking about GamePerformance bred AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIERS. They are the king of dogs. IMO. They are inherently PEOPLE and CHILDREN friendly... THIS IS A FACT... Just because there are too many out there crossed up to Make Mean by IDIOTS is not the dogs fault. I lay blame on PETA AND THE SPCA FOR SPREADING INSANE FALLACYS ABOUT THEM AND INCREASING THEIR POPULARITY AND DEGENERATION VIA FALSE PUBLICITY....AND FOOLS LIKE YOURSELF THAT ARE FAKE MEDIA DRIVEN....AND BREED GENETIC RETARDS...SHAME ON YOU ...SHAME ON YOU... TAKE YOUR RETARDED DOGS TO THE VET AS THEY ARE A WALKIING VET BILL... Yes I am pissed, YOU AND YOUR TYPE RUINED A GREAT ,SOUND VERSATILE AND ATHLETIC ANIMAL...for fukn style... to look cool ...dysfunctionality be dammed.. Your a Sadist Larry. GO GET VACCINATED.
     

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    INSERT REAL DOGS WHERE IT SAYS GUNS....
    Some only want foofoo's...GodBless foofoo's… BUT PULeeeeeeeeze if you have do DON'T BREEDankle biters..... nervous,physically defective Retards,

    DON'T TAKE A GOOD HEALTY FUNCTIONAL BREED AND NEUTER IT GENETICALLY...

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    Understand me right... I LOVED RITA... .. she was an amazing housedog and GIVE A TRY DOG. Strong yes,,No Athleticism. I had Read up on them for years and wanted the GENTLEMANS GLADIATOR... SOME willing but have not the ability or instinct. THATS OK. most dogs are just dogs. And the slight on maimed and dead People via PitBulls. NONSENSE.. That's not the dog that's the owner.... I have seen More bullterriers bite owners,,in Sweden, because of bad nerves.. I have handled dozens of Pitbulls in very stressed situations AND HAVE NEVER BEEN BIT. In fact IF you check stats...Many idiots cross pitbulls with PEOPLE BITERS.. I am ONLY talking about GamePerformance bred AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIERS. They are the king of dogs. IMO. They are inherently PEOPLE and CHILDREN friendly... THIS IS A FACT... Just because there are too many out there crossed up to Make Mean by IDIOTS is not the dogs fault. I lay blame on PETA AND THE SPCA FOR SPREADING INSANE FALLACYS ABOUT THEM AND INCREASING THEIR POPULARITY AND DEGENERATION VIA FALSE PUBLICITY....AND FOOLS LIKE YOURSELF THAT ARE FAKE MEDIA DRIVEN....AND BREED GENETIC RETARDS...SHAME ON YOU ...SHAME ON YOU... TAKE YOUR RETARDED DOGS TO THE VET AS THEY ARE A WALKIING VET BILL...IMO dammed.. Your a Sadist Larry. GO GET VACCINATED.

    "Understand me right... I LOVED RITA... .. she was an amazing housedog and GIVE A TRY DOG." Sooo, we try to make a hunting dog out of her, sounds really bright.

    "IMO" You seem to like this word. And all this is just your opinion, and it's not worth much really.


    "AND FOOLS LIKE YOURSELF THAT ARE FAKE MEDIA DRIVEN....AND BREED GENETIC RETARDS...SHAME ON YOU ...SHAME ON YOU... TAKE YOUR RETARDED DOGS TO THE VET AS THEY ARE A WALKIING VET BILL...IMO dammed.. Your a Sadist Larry. GO GET VACCINATED."

    Looks like you got a problem with me, well I'm real easy to find. So quit talking out your ass and bring that vaccination syringe, I'm eager to see if you only talk the big talk on a computer.
     

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    Were we return to the first post.
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    What dog breeder do to working dogs
    Old school - A lovely pair of Italian Mastiffs
    Lovely pictures❤️
    I find it fascinating looking at pictures of corso pre 70s because of the differentials in looks of the dogs back then.
    I was under the impression from what I've read/heard that the corso was more of a "type" of dog rather than a breed if that makes sense?
    i.e before the recovery programme started in the 70s they varied greatly in size, conformation, ability etc.. From village to village, area to area depending on what stock they were bred from and the jobs they were employed to do from farm to farm etc....
    I stand to be corrected if this is incorrect I am still learning about this amazing breed
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    What they are breeding today
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    Two of mine that are white english and are the same as they were in the 19th century
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    Dog show german shepherd
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    The model for how a dog should stand
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    "Understand me right... I LOVED RITA... .. she was an amazing housedog and GIVE A TRY DOG." Sooo, we try to make a hunting dog out of her, sounds really bright.

    "IMO" You seem to like this word. And all this is just your opinion, and it's not worth much really.


    "AND FOOLS LIKE YOURSELF THAT ARE FAKE MEDIA DRIVEN....AND BREED GENETIC RETARDS...SHAME ON YOU ...SHAME ON YOU... TAKE YOUR RETARDED DOGS TO THE VET AS THEY ARE A WALKIING VET BILL...IMO dammed.. Your a Sadist Larry. GO GET VACCINATED."

    Looks like you got a problem with me, well I'm real easy to find. So quit talking out your ass and bring that vaccination syringe, I'm eager to see if you only talk the big talk on a computer.

    You have a problem with Idiots with pitbull LOOKING dogs maiming people because of neglect.. DITTO.

    I do have a problem with generically blaming pitbulls for IDIOTS behavior.

    I also have a problem when someone Denigrates the Dogs,especially GameBredPitBulls for being Healthy, AND at the same time breeds Retards,genetically defective animals. You seem to follow fashion ,,, as do those who get the C vaccination. I WOULD NEVER VACCINATE ANYONE ….. I am not talking out my ass..stating facts sir. God bless your fashionable genetic freaks... I am sure you give them a good home..Take offense at facts while you spew fakenews bs....puuuuuleze.
     
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    I see the term game bred pitbull being used a lot. Now days it means something else than what it use to mean.
    It used to mean a game pitbull was called game from its behavior when fighting in the box. Did not mean that it won or severely injured the other dog. Meant it did not give up. A 35 lbs pit that was being badly whipped by another dog that kept fighting was game tested. A dog did not get it by having parents that earned that title, but by actually earning it in a fight.
    My groups thinks the origins of the word game goes back to england when public betting on animals were common and the betting was called gaming. I have no idea how present dog fighters use that term. And yes people do still fight dogs that I am opposed to, but I am willing to learn anything that I can from it.
     
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    I see the term game bred pitbull being used a lot. Now days it means something else than what it use to mean.
    It used to mean a game pitbull was called game from its behavior when fighting in the box. Did not mean that it won or severely injured the other dog. Meant it did not give up. A 35 lbs pit that was being badly whipped by another dog that kept fighting was game tested. A dog did not get it by having parents that earned that title, but by actually earning it in a fight.
    My groups thinks the origins of the word game goes back to england when public betting on animals were common and the betting was called gaming. I have no idea how present dog fighters use that term. Any yes people do still fight dogs that I am opposed to, but I am willing to learn anything that I can from it.

    InMyOpinion… Gameness is absolutely NOT aggressiveness. ITS DEAPTH OF HEART TO HUNT WITH ,FIGHT FOR AND EVEN DIE FOR THEIR OWNER. Often this is done in a fearless way. Often the Most Aggressive will be the first to cut and run on owner....I DO NOT FIGHT MINE. Though the humane society trys to label any hunting with dogs ..FIGHTING. Mine are hunted IF I am hunting.. They are first and foremost Housedogs..supremely athletic,healthy,NoVetBills. And FAMILY. They live here til they die of old age...My last two past at 15 and 16 and hunted a LOT... They slept on the foot of my bed from beginning to end. Moved to the downstairs room and put mattress on the floor so they could get On and off easily and OUTSIDE .. I STILL MISS THEM..
    Gaming is ??? seems any competition that has a gambling aspect. I have gambled on my dog in a HangTime Contest.. I have won $$ in the old Catch Contests,,Hogs.. But those were made illegal...The true test is the battle,the hunt or the competition... NOT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. GameTesting comes from HARD physical,mental Testing..The weak break or quit and imo..NOT for breeding. Another thing about Gamebred Pitbulls. Think about this..What IDIOTs would get in a square box with two fighting dogs IF THEY WERE HUMAN AGGRESSIVE OR HYSTERICAL IN BATTLE. ??? NOT I. I have broke mine off Many wild Boars.. a couple stray curs that attacked us..(always much bigger). I have never been bit...or worried about this..
    God bless the bullterrier guy. .. I love dogs in general and have a pet peeve of BREEDING FOR STYLE,LOOKS ECT.. This makes for Retarded,genetically Defective dogs ...NOT SAFE..Not Healthy and imo not fit to breed. Breeding bully blues ,especialy the really squatty ones is CRUEL.. WAYYYYYYYY MORE CRUEL THAN THOSE THAT HARD TEST THEIR DOGS BEFORE BREEDING.

    Just my two cents...……….the NonThinking NonKNnowinng breed for style..They do not understand the damage they are doing. and because they breed for the current style....$$$$ rules and is selling point. Rita...I bought her as I fell for the LIE they were the Gentle Mans Gladiator,,,, Back in the day YES.,, last 40 yr NO> She wanted to ,,she did her best,,, and luckily I learned early on to Protect her from her DEFECIENCIES...

    I love dogs... WHY I am very particular about their genetics... Nature is Prodoundly Kind in its TOUGHLOVE … defects get culled... with Humanities BETTER THAN NATURE,,,STUPIDITY OF STYLE AND FASHION.. we have hunting dogs that can't hunt. lap dogs that are hysterical,,walking vet bills ala THE LOWRIDER GERMAN SHEPARDs BADHIPS .. and on and on the genetic defects pile up RUINING WHAT WAS A GOOD ,SOUND GENETIC FAMILY DO IT ALL DOG.
     

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    InMyOpinion… Gameness is absolutely NOT aggressiveness. ITS DEAPTH OF HEART TO HUNT WITH ,FIGHT FOR AND EVEN DIE FOR THEIR OWNER. Often this is done in a fearless way. Often the Most Aggressive will be the first to cut and run on owner....I DO NOT FIGHT MINE. Though the humane society trys to label any hunting with dogs ..FIGHTING. Mine are hunted IF I am hunting.. They are first and foremost Housedogs..supremely athletic,healthy,NoVetBills. And FAMILY. They live here til they die of old age...My last two past at 15 and 16 and hunted a LOT... They slept on the foot of my bed from beginning to end. Moved to the downstairs room and put mattress on the floor so they could get On and off easily and OUTSIDE .. I STILL MISS THEM..
    Gaming is ??? seems any competition that has a gambling aspect. I have gambled on my dog in a HangTime Contest.. I have won $$ in the old Catch Contests,,Hogs.. But those were made illegal...The true test is the battle,the hunt or the competition... NOT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. GameTesting comes from HARD physical,mental Testing..The weak break or quit and imo..NOT for breeding. Another thing about Gamebred Pitbulls. Think about this..What IDIOTs would get in a square box with two fighting dogs IF THEY WERE HUMAN AGGRESSIVE OR HYSTERICAL IN BATTLE. ??? NOT I. I have broke mine off Many wild Boars.. a couple stray curs that attacked us..(always much bigger). I have never been bit...or worried about this..
    God bless the bullterrier guy. .. I love dogs in general and have a pet peeve of BREEDING FOR STYLE,LOOKS ECT.. This makes for Retarded,genetically Defective dogs ...NOT SAFE..Not Healthy and imo not fit to breed. Breeding bully blues ,especialy the really squatty ones is CRUEL.. WAYYYYYYYY MORE CRUEL THAN THOSE THAT HARD TEST THEIR DOGS BEFORE BREEDING.

    Just my two cents...……….the NonThinking NonKNnowinng breed for style..They do not understand the damage they are doing. and because they breed for the current style....$$$$ rules and is selling point. Rita...I bought her as I fell for the LIE they were the Gentle Mans Gladiator,,,, Back in the day YES.,, last 40 yr NO> She wanted to ,,she did her best,,, and luckily I learned early on to Protect her from her DEFECIENCIES...

    I love dogs... WHY I am very particular about their genetics... Nature is Prodoundly Kind in its TOUGHLOVE … defects get culled... with Humanities BETTER THAN NATURE,,,STUPIDITY OF STYLE AND FASHION.. we have hunting dogs that can't hunt. lap dogs that are hysterical,,walking vet bills ala THE LOWRIDER GERMAN SHEPARDs BADHIPS .. and on and on the genetic defects pile up RUINING WHAT WAS A GOOD ,SOUND GENETIC FAMILY DO IT ALL DOG.
    This is a long complicated subject. Things in the americas, meaning both south and north america were very different for the man that loved to hunt with dogs and what went on in europe and also the urban centers of america relative to how dogs were used.
    If you were not a landed member of the gentry or even earlier a lord. Often you legally could not have hunting dogs meant for large game. Those that loved to hunt were poachers and ran special cross bred dogs called lurchers. Very obedient and quiet dogs that help in hunting, usually small game that was being poached.
    Smaller terrier types belonging to a tenant farmer or earlier a serf to protect livestock, kill rats and run off a fox were ok.
    For the common man for sport wt pulls and other things were not done. The biggie was baiting, dog fights, and rat killing. Things like this were done also on the east coast of america
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    COUPLE OF MINE WERE AMAZING RATTERS. bite shake,fling away..then looking for another. had another that would dig a 10ft trench to get one little desert rat..mouth full of catus… She was too slow for the small mice with that big mug she had..
     

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    Some these are more dangerous than a properly bred pitbull
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    absolutely... BUT ..THEY BE BRED TO CATCH PEOPLE FIRST AND FOREMOST... Thought for a minute as I like their GRIT..but too Hot..to aggressive. too restless for this old man. and lb for lb..IF mine catch... KATIE BAR THE DOOR. THEY ARE MORE EFFICIENT THAN A MALINOIS lb for lb
     

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    absolutely... BUT ..THEY BE BRED TO CATCH PEOPLE FIRST AND FOREMOST... Thought for a minute as I like their GRIT..but too Hot..to aggressive. too restless for this old man. and lb for lb..IF mine catch... KATIE BAR THE DOOR. THEY ARE MORE EFFICIENT THAN A MALINOIS lb for lb
    I have heard police dog handlers that would not trust their malinois with their family.
    The malinois is most often best used as a police or military dog. They are not laid back and very trainable.
    My dogs are the opposite. Laid back, stubborn, are not very trainable, and very loyal. They are especially protective of elderly woman. Their job is to guard my place and get along with the neighbors They have a reputation for being able to kill other dogs.
    Female with the open mouth is missing some teeth. She had come into the possession of pit fighters. My guess they were planning to use her as a training dog. She killed two of their dogs. When cops broke up that dog fighting ring, she was being starved and she had broken teeth. All of my dogs have Dixie in their ancestry along with other dogs known to do such things. A grandfather of two of my dogs was known in self defense to have killed three other dogs before he was lost track of. One of the dogs had its chest crushed. The two of mine that have thrown as mastiff types are not especially dog aggressive, but but they will not retreat from anything. One is friendly, as long as the other dog is friendly and she is smaller, bulldog like in build and behavior and less likely to bite an intruding human.

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    Great Dane 1900

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    Modern Great Dane..Nice dogs and short life span.
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