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  • fl57caveman

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    polls don't mean squat.. trump beat the pig with lipstick, unless you join the resistance, he is the potus

    build a bridge and get over it
     

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    You can find any numbers you want on the internet, moron.
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    Jeb21

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    You can find any numbers you want on the internet, moron.

    So now we are resorting to name calling? Well when all else fails - go ahead and insult folks, that is what Trump does. Maybe you are hoping the mods will shut down the thread to so you don't have to continue to have this debate? Sad and disappointing.

    Same goes for your, Frank.
     

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    Thank goodness , now if they will just do away with the rest of it.
     
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    fl57caveman

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    and those premiums were SO reasonable too....

    the government trying to force americans to purchase a product or service they did not need, want, or in many cases, could not afford, forcing them onto the govt wallet has failed, and I for one, am happy about it..



    by a muslim Kenyan queer, married to a transitioning man to woman...great firsts in US history..




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    Jeb21

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    Obama care did a lot for the country. For example - 80%of the money received by insurance companies in premiums had to be spent on paying for the insured's healthcare thereby reducing the economic incentive of these companies to refused to pay for covered treatment; the elimination of the pre-exising conditions exclusions; allowing children to stay on their parent's plans through the age of 25. It eliminated lifetime and annual coverage caps. Obama care reduced the annual increase in health care costs from 4% to 1.2% and it eliminated the huge annual deduction for Medicare plan D recipients. It did all of this while still reducing the deficit by 143 Billion by 2020.

    https://www.thebalance.com/obamacare-pros-and-cons-3306059
     

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    Obama care did a lot for the country. For example - 80%of the money received by insurance companies in premiums had to be spent on paying for the insured's healthcare thereby reducing the economic incentive of these companies to refused to pay for covered treatment; the elimination of the pre-exising conditions exclusions; allowing children to stay on their parent's plans through the age of 25. It eliminated lifetime and annual coverage caps. Obama care reduced the annual increase in health care costs from 4% to 1.2% and it eliminated the huge annual deduction for Medicare plan D recipients. It did all of this while still reducing the deficit by 143 Billion by 2020.

    https://www.thebalance.com/obamacare-pros-and-cons-3306059

    If you believe that crap I've got a nice bridge in Brooklyn to sell you!
     

    JWlineman

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    Just a reminder fellas, per the forum rules...

    Users will conduct themselves on the Gulf Coast Gun Forum in a respectful manner, inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements will result in removal from the Gulf Coast Gun Forum.

    Thanks, y'all keep it classy. JW

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    I don't have to take it on faith, I saw/see it on a regular basis. I was able to keep my daughter on my plan till she was 28. The pre-existing was a big deal for us because she was in a bad car wreck when she was 16 and required pelvic reconstruction surgery and a re-inflation of her lung. Before Obama care, we were having a devil of a time getting her coverage that would actually cover her for any ongoing treatment for those injuries. That changed when Obama care passed.

    In my practice, I see it as well. So many more of my client have health insurance now, which means that they can get into the doctor to get treatment from their auto accidents. The can have the necessary tests run and see the appropriate specialist.

    So I see the upside from Obama care on a regular basis both in my personal and professional life.

    Also I don't want to buy a bridge from you FV22. If I did what would you live under :)
     

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    From your vantage point I can see why you feel that it was a good thing, but for many working class folks it wasn't. I know several young fathers that couldn't afford to insure their family's and themselves. They paid for the insurance on their wife and kids and paid the penalty for their self. There's a big problem with a forced service that rewards welfare recipients and penalizes a man that works for a livening.
     

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    From your vantage point I can see why you feel that it was a good thing, but for many working class folks it wasn't. I know several young fathers that couldn't afford to insure their family's and themselves. They paid for the insurance on their wife and kids and paid the penalty for their self. There's a big problem with a forced service that rewards welfare recipients and penalizes a man that works for a livening.
    So, who paid the insurance for those fathers and their families before the ACA?
     

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    In most cases, folks without insurance have to treat the ER as their family doctor. Generally speaking, the tax payer winds up paying for those visits, or the hospital eats the costs and then increases the cost of services for everyone else.

    We are the one of the wealthiest and most powerful countries on the planet, and yet we have one of the poorest health care systems. Obama care is not perfect but it is a step in the right direction. It could be modified to work better but we should not give up the good portions of the Act.
     

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    Obama care did a lot for the country. For example - 80%of the money received by insurance companies in premiums had to be spent on paying for the insured's healthcare thereby reducing the economic incentive of these companies to refused to pay for covered treatment; the elimination of the pre-exising conditions exclusions; allowing children to stay on their parent's plans through the age of 25. It eliminated lifetime and annual coverage caps. Obama care reduced the annual increase in health care costs from 4% to 1.2% and it eliminated the huge annual deduction for Medicare plan D recipients. It did all of this while still reducing the deficit by 143 Billion by 2020.

    https://www.thebalance.com/obamacare-pros-and-cons-3306059

    That is some serious Internet BS. I'm a working man, have since I was 15 and in the last few years of Odumba I paid more in Healthcare than I ever have. Every year of Obama's presidency the amount of money deducted for premiums out of paycheck went up and when Odumbacare kicked in it want up even more. On top of that my co-pays went from $20 for each normal visit to the doctor to $96 for each visit so don't give me this crap about it costing the average person less. All it did was make hard working Americans pay for the healthcare of the non working fat ass drug dealers and other lowlifes who live off the government.
     

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    Practically everyone knows health care in the United States is expensive — the most expensive in the world by seemingly every measure. But judging by the raging debate over the Affordable Care Act, few really understand why.

    At the moment, the GOP-led push in Congress and the White House to overhaul Obamacare is focusing on premiums and deductibles, coverage rates and co-pays. Yet they are just the mechanisms of paying for a system that continues to consume a larger percentage of the nation’s gross domestic product than in any other highly industrialized country. For example, a study from the Commonwealth Fund, a nonpartisan health-care think tank, said the United States spent $9,086 per person in 2013 on medical expenses — $2,761 more than Switzerland, the next-highest spender on the list of 13 wealthy nations.


    Why our health care costs so much — and why fixes aren't likely
     

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    Both prior to and after the election, prominent Republicans spoke about repealing the Affordable Care Act (ACA), privatizing Medicare, and making cutbacks to Medicaid. Costs of these programs are the purported justifications for why these plans are targeted for dismantle.

    The announcement that ACA premiums would increase by an average of 22 percent only fueled the political firestorm. This reflects a wider trend: the average middle-class family’s healthcare spending has increased 25 percent since 2007, while spending on other basic needs has decreased.

    However, another question should precede the issue of whether or not these programs should be cut or privatized, and it’s the question that neither Republicans nor Democrats want to talk about: why is healthcare so expensive in the United States?

    During Obama’s presidency and the debates over the ACA, both parties touted healthcare as a market, the Republicans arguing that it will limit consumer choice, the ACA ultimately arguing that the law puts consumers back in charge of their healthcare. But this presumption that healthcare is a market, and that we are in charge, is a fallacy.

    If it were truly a market, consumers could shop around for the best care, comparing safety rankings and overall value of the healthcare they needed. However, the healthcare industry notoriously shields fees not only from competitors, but also from us, the consumers.


    Why is healthcare so expensive in the United States?
     

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    They paid it. After the aca they could no longer afford it.

    I don't doubt what you're saying. All I know is that before the ACA I could not afford ANY insurance because the premiums were so high. With the ACA I can.

    Just to make sure I understand, the guys you know bought health insurance on the open market, and did not get it through a group plan or from their employer. Is that correct?
     

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    That is some serious Internet BS. I'm a working man, have since I was 15 and in the last few years of Odumba I paid more in Healthcare than I ever have. Every year of Obama's presidency the amount of money deducted for premiums out of paycheck went up and when Odumbacare kicked in it want up even more. On top of that my co-pays went from $20 for each normal visit to the doctor to $96 for each visit so don't give me this crap about it costing the average person less. All it did was make hard working Americans pay for the healthcare of the non working fat ass drug dealers and other lowlifes who live off the government.

    So your premiums were taken out of your pay check. Does that mean your employer set up your insurance coverage? Or were you buying it on the open market and taking a payroll deduction?
     
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