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    Anger ?? No Joel . . . for me not about anger . . . it's all about understanding.
    I would never be angry at a Dem/lib or a Catholic or a pro abortion believer. I sure would like to be able to understand them though.
    If I ultimately can't understand,that does not indicate that I can't live with them. I just leaves me wondering why two people that love guns so much could possibly be so different in other ways.
    Every day when I watch the news,I watch about 20 minutes of CNN. I feel that while most repubs want good things for our country,most dems just want the President to go away in total shame. They feel that this bringing down of President Trump will ultimately save this nation from itself. Wouldn't you agree that the dems are focused on this so much that they feel that the rest of the countrys buisness can simply go to hell.
    I look at it as "target fixation". That is when a attack pilot is so intently focused on attacking the troop convoy that he flys into the ground.
    That is a great example of the dems with this new tax bill. When the nation starts doing well because of this bill,what will they have ?? NOTHING but excuses. They will be beaten with their "no" vote come election time. They just flew into the ground and exploded. --- SAWMAN
     
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    I will agree that cable news has become entertainment, as opposed to news. I try to watch a world news program a few nights a week, to find out about natural disasters, regional uprisings, ethnic cleanings, etc. taking place around the globe.
     

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    We seem to view the two sides in the extremes the media shows us on TV. When I can actually talk to the political belief system of a liberal (or conservative for that matter) in a non-emotional/rational state; the majority of people are actually libertarian in their beliefs more so than they would ever know. The media has absolutely demolished and mis-represented what most libertarians believe.

    What I find with many rational liberals is that they place great faith in the government (way more than I do) to level the playing field and distribute opportunity (and sometimes wealth). They tend to see government, and big government, to be a benevolent force in our lives. Today's liberal Democrats are not the Democratic party of my father. Socialism, Marxism, communism or whatever flavor of totalitarianism ism you want to say is not "America". Personally, I believe government is a malevolent force...maybe necessary for the protection of its citizens, but not a force for good as power, corruption and wealth are like Sauron's ring of power....sure to corrupt the most pure of intentions. The fact that those "isms" are present is a true testament to our constitutional right to free speech...just know that any of those "isms" will ultimately end the very thing that permits its existence....in other words, to any political belief; be very careful what you wish for, you might get it! Anything that can be taken from one person, can and will be taken from another at a later point in time when it is convenient or "necessary" as deemed by who ever is in charge at the time .
     

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    I do read huffpo articles, but will only read m jones, vox, salon and slate as comedic relief, they are liberal rags, worth of bird cage liner duty...

    fox I consider not right wing, but 90% accurate,, except of the obvious biased shep smith

    I don't read most of those. Since you are only willing to go by your rules with no compromise, I decline to participate.
     

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    There are people present in this thread that would argue vehemently and without end that the crowd show on the left is not larger then that shown on the right. The politicians they support unfailingly, have made this assertion in public many times, in person and through their various spokespersons (there's been a few already in the first year--shelf life seems to be about 4 months, but I digress). In fact it was probably the most discussed topic in Trump's young presidency.


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    Thus, until such persons are able to overcome their bias that causes them to not be able to admit such a simple subject, here demonstrated by empirical photographic evidence, any efforts to convince them of any other matters, which are inevitably more complex and nuanced, would be a waste of everyone's time, and only serve to inflame said people and be detrimental to the overall health of the forum.
     

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    so the dems want higher taxes and the repubs want lower taxes is what I learned today. the dems having doubled the debt in 8 years are worried it might be costly???LOL typical BS
     

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    Don't forget the "bearded lady" factor. All the people talking about how they wanted to be there to see the first black president (actually, the first half-white president). Like they were gonna see the Black Jesus World Tour or Black Elvis plays Madison Square Graden or something. So many bleeding hearts happy they no longer have to feel so guilty for all the slaves they never owned.
    When a major-league curiosity like this one comes around, all the freak show fans show up.
     

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    white guilt elected obumba...so the liberals could feel good about voting..that, and 99% of the black vote, voting color, not content or character...
     

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    so the dems want higher taxes and the repubs want lower taxes is what I learned today. the dems having doubled the debt in 8 years are worried it might be costly???LOL typical BS

    I wish it was this simple. The new tax bill will hurt the economy by adding over a Trillion to our deficit. 80% of the bill's benefits go to the top 1% . You and I will see little benefit at all. The politician are just paying back their backer's at our expense.
     

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    Re. the country's "debt problem". - - -> I am old and have no children or grandchildren. Why in heck should I care how much money YOUR KIDS will owe to pay down the country's debt ??????? ---- SAWMAN
     

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    Re. the country's "debt problem". - - -> I am old and have no children or grandchildren. Why in heck should I care how much money YOUR KIDS will owe to pay down the country's debt ??????? ---- SAWMAN


    dems just want to party like it's 1999, let someone else pay the bill....

    how any clear thinking person could support ANY democrat is beyond me..

    mental issues...
     

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    I wish it was this simple. The new tax bill will hurt the economy by adding over a Trillion to our deficit. 80% of the bill's benefits go to the top 1% . You and I will see little benefit at all. The politician are just paying back their backer's at our expense.

    Watch CNN much? I'll tell you what most Democrats and liberals are really upset about, Neurosurgeons make more money than Walmart greeters.............OH THE HUMANITY. The fact is that the rich and well-off pay almost all the income tax in this country, the poor pay nothing, and bottom 80% pay only 15% of the income tax. A tax cut of any kind will give a bigger break to the wealthy measured in total dollars, but when it comes to the size of the tax cut relative to how important it is to a moderate income wage earner, the middle class will see a real reduction in spite of what the lying MSM and Democrat hate mongers say.

    Those with a poor education or those too blinded by hate to see the truth are easily fooled. Of course the Democrats take advantage of such people by using scare tactics to keep their base in the dark. In addition if the Democrats and their followers can cripple our government they believe they can blame President Trump and then perhaps gain seats in the house and/or senate. Party before Country is their mantra.

    The proposed extra national debt increase you reference is a total over 10 years, which is a coon's age in political terms. But the big lie is that it's calculated on having a crippled economy like we had under Obama who had growth under 3 percent EVERY year, something no other president has ever done. President Trumps 3 rd quarter was well over 3%, the forth is forecast to be over 4% and next year will be even higher. The economy will take off like a rocket once America gets Obama's boot off its neck. Already Trump has brought unemployment down to record lows, optimism is high, and America is on it's way to an impressive recovery. The increased tax revenue caused by a vibrant economy will make that trillion dollar figure look like chump change. This tax cut will greatly help the economy.

    I'm firmly in the middle class now that I'm retired with no job. According to the latest version of the tax bill I will pay $2134 less in taxes after the tax cut, based on my previous year's income. That may not mean much to some rich folks, but to me it's important.

    Look, this isn't rocket science. Unless you're a rich guy reading this forum from New York or California paying lots of property tax and state income tax, or a toothless Baldwin County Meth cooker paying no tax at all, you will see a significant reduction in your income tax. The truth hurts if you're a Democrat or KoolAid drinker, but it isn't that hard to uncover the facts.
     

    SAWMAN

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    ^^^^^ I tried to triple like your post above but the forum would not let me.
    I have never heard what the exact definition of "middle class" really is but i suspect that my wife and I would fall directly in the middle of that income spread somewhere. --- SAWMAN
     
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    I'll never understand white guilt, I've worked my way up to the upper end of middle class , and I'm damn proud of it.
     

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    The libs lost, this will cost them gains in 2018. This proves when they open their mouth they are lying. Chances are this bill will add ZERO debt due to the growth which will be 4% or more this quarter on top of the 3% for the last 2 quarters(obama 8 years at 1.5%) Each % point ='s about 1 trillion to the economy. JOBS JOBS JOBS and more $$$$$ in your pocket NOT the governments is what this bill means. A great day for America and along with the new Security Strategy will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! Thank you Donald Trump and Merry Christmas!!
     
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