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    Anyone have any thoughts on this whole net neutrality... I'm all for limited government but in the case I'm not so sure... If anyone doesn't know what net neutrality is, it's pretty much Internet service providers must treat all data on the Internet the same, and not discriminate or charge differently by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or method of communication. For instance, under these principles, internet service providers are unable to intentionally block, slow down or charge money for specific websites and online content. That's it summed up by Wikipedia and frankly I couldn't do any better to sum it up. Below is an example of what could happen if net neutrality is removed. Thoughts?
     

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    I agree with Famine. It will just allow for them to charge more, for slower access.
     

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    Yup. Lube up. Because you're going to be taking it hard and deep.

    It's also going to destroy e-commerce in the USA.

    But this is what you guys voted for, so enjoy!
     

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    get rid of it, all was good before 2015 and market forces will prevail. If something gets out of hand then let the Govt address it...Nothing is better with the Govt, how is the VA? welfare?congress?..Look at Trump killing regs and the economy is racing ahead!
     

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    get rid of it, all was good before 2015 and market forces will prevail. If something gets out of hand then let the Govt address it...Nothing is better with the Govt, how is the VA? welfare?congress?..Look at Trump killing regs and the economy is racing ahead!

    Frank ehh there's a little bit more to that and I see your view and frankly I have been on the fence with both views.

    But an example. I'll compare AT&T and Direct TV NOW. This let's users stream content from Direct TV (ATT owns) over the wireless network without counting against their monthly data cap. This is called "zero rating" allowing free streaming for wireless users. Under the Open Internet Order the FCC has the authority to "police" zero-rated services on a case by case basis, and last year the FFC expressed how ATT was unfairly favoring it own content....


    We will probably see companies pay to have data prioritized. It will be easy for a company like Netflix or Hulu to pay for this but a start up streaming company well they won't be able to compete. Small companies are going to be hurt by this.
     

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    Yup. Lube up. Because you're going to be taking it hard and deep.

    It's also going to destroy e-commerce in the USA.

    But this is what you guys voted for, so enjoy!

    Ehh nope not here I know where to draw the line on both sides of the parties... In this case well we might need plenty of lube.
     

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    Almost all ISP markets have zero competition (Niceville, FL, for instance has only one ISP). Ceartinly none have more than one competitor.

    Market forces arent going to do diddly.

    Naturally, the very first thing they'll do is ban VPN use.
     

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    https://www.npr.org/2017/12/14/5702...ty-vote-study-finds-millions-of-fake-comments

    I always enjoy getting hosed financially, but this is my favorite part of the whole thing.

    Right. Who paid for all that wire fraud? You'd think the US government would have even a teeny tiny bit of interest, wouldn't you? The only reasonable explanation is that they already know who paid for it, and they're fine with it.
     

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    Right. Who paid for all that wire fraud? You'd think the US government would have even a teeny tiny bit of interest, wouldn't you? The only reasonable explanation is that they already know who paid for it, and they're fine with it.

    Pretty much, though I don't discount the possibility they just care so little about the public comment portion(perhaps a check in the box to say"look, you have a voice") that they didn't notice.

    Either way it looks too me like they should maybe step back and reexamine the whole deal. which means I expect the regulations too be reversed in full.

    I think they could really outdo themselves, providers I mean, if they didn't ask first for the upgrade charge. Just go ahead and bill the 5$ to your account every time you go to a site that doesn't pay for preference.
     

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    The widespread fraud has been pointed out to them by 18 State Attorneys General. There was no mistaking what was going on. They just simply didn't care what the public wanted. Much more important to keep the big donors happy.
     

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    I've seen so many arguments on this and it's hard to tell which is really the correct way forward. However, Google and Facebook were huge fans of Net Neutrality, which makes me suspicious of it. The biggest issue, IMO, is the content censorship by domain companies and places like facebook, Twitter, YouTube. They're silencing conservative dessent.

    Say what you will about The Daily Stormer, but they had their domain stolen by Google and were banned by a bunch of domain registration services -- not for anything illegal, but for political speech. Meanwhile, the same companies allow animal porn, ISIS, antifa, "kill whitie" types, and other sites to be hosted. At the very least, domain registration should be viewed as a public utility with first amendment protection.
     

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    Here’s how its gonna go:

    Basic Internet: $19.95/mo.

    This will be blanket marketed. Every commercial break. You’ll never see the fine print that only an owl could read, at the bottom of the television screen, for longer than 500 milliseconds.

    Realistic speed internet, that loads more than one page/hr: $59.95/mo. 36 mo contract required. Early termination fee of $40.00/mo

    News sites: Additional $6.95/mo. 12 month subscription required.

    Music sites: (Spotify, etc) $5.95/mo each, or get the music upgrade package for $18.95/mo. 12 month subscription required.

    Forum sites: $4.95 per forum, or get the forum upgrade package for $18.95/mo. 12 month subscription required.

    Streaming video package: $29.95/mo: Includes Hulu, Zulu, and Mulu, but not Netflix . 12 month subscription required.

    Netflix can only be viewwed if you subscribe the Extreme Entertainment Package. Includes above video sites, and Netflix. $49.95/mo. 36 month subscription required.

    And so on, on content fees. Any website your ISP doesn't approve of, or is simply unable to pay your ISP to be fast tracked, will go one the 1/MB per hour track. Will take days to load a page, but legally, they can say they are providing it to you. After all, it is part of the basic package.

    Thats the billing structure.



    Then you get to the data caps, and data overage fees, add extra fees for each computer, and mobile device fee, router traffic fees, switch traffic fees, Ethernet cable maintenance fees,and fees for…. Well I’m sure you’re getting the picture.

    And on top of it all, you’ll have the really great feeling when you get your 14 page bill every month (that only a PhD candidate can understand), of knowing that you did this all to yourself!!!
     

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    My bad, I forgot about the Daily Stormer. You'll need to get the American Nazi package, for $79.99/mo. It will include the Daily Stormer, Trump's Twitter feed, Breitbart news, Bannons Twitter feed, and whoever that idiot that did the Charleston protest is. Permanent subscription. No cancellation allowed. But with each new subscription, you'll get a free swastika armband, and a hardbound copy of Mein Kampf. :)
     

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    It seems like someone who doesn't understand the internet typed this up. We've been living in the "wild west" of internet with basically no problems. If service providers even tried what you're saying, everything would crash over night.

    Then, try to enforce it. Example, I have satellite internet and for some reason, certain websites don't load, so I use TOR and bypass whatever garbage they installed to stop access.

    Realistically, Netflix and YouTube will need to pony up cash because those two services account for a massive amount of all traffic. Forums? A drop in the bucket data wise.

    Data and bandwidth are getting cheaper by the day, not more expensive. This nickel and dime stuff would just mean customers go somewhere else. Mobile data is also going unlimited with better and better speeds.

    So as it stands, there will be at least 3 options. Cable, satellite, mobile via LTE networks. Fiber is also spreading rapidly.

    I'm not against all regulation, but a lot of the fear here seems to be blown way out of proportion.
     

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