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  • Jeb21

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    Well look at it this way... even though there was no previous widespread abuse of an open and free Internet, back from the early days when Al Gore first invented it up to 2015's Net Neutrality, should the repealing of that regulatory overreach result in all the bad things predicted you will be able to come back here to this thread and justifiably rub in a "I told you so".

    Except that no one will be able to get back on this cite because it will be blocked or too expensive to access :)
     

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    To stay with your analogy, imagine if we eliminated laws against rape or against prostitution. How long would it take before certain powerful people took advantage of other less powerful people.

    That is what has just happened with the FCC. The internet providers are now able to pimp out the content providers and RAPE the consumers' wallets. Like it or not law and regulation protect us. Now we have one less regulation to protect us all in the name of profit
    Hahahaha, you seriously can't.......... I'm at a loss.
    I guess conservative values of less government interference really is dead.


    You guys have fun discussing the boogie man corporations. I'll leave you alone with one final point, we didn't have rape laws until people were being raped.

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    An intelligent person identifies a potential problem and deals with it before it become an issue.
     

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    An intelligent person identifies a potential problem and deals with it before it become an issue.
    An intelligent person identifies actual threats and doesn't get side tracked with silliness.

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    Here is some information for you to consider:

    "A study by Maplight, spotted by DSLReports, claims that “Comcast, AT&T, Verizon and the National Cable & Telecommunications Association (NCTA) have spent $572 million on attempts to influence the FCC and other government agencies since 2008.” To put that in perspective, that’s more money spent on lobbying than the defense, automotive, or banking industries over the same period. Only the pharmaceutical and oil industries have consistently spent more."


    Now do you really think that Comcast spent close to half a billion dollars to get rid of net neutrality for no financial reason? Do you really believe that they just said, "you know what we have all this extra cash laying around. We could have a really big bonfire or we could just lobby the government about something we don't care about?"


    They spent all of that money - more money than just about any other interest group - to kill net neutrality because they expect to make a ton more money off of us, once net neutrality was killed.

    But hey you are right, it is probably not a threat. Just like the guy wandering around your back yard at night with the hockey mask on and the bloody ax is just a guy looking for his lost kitten and definitely not a threat to you and yours. Go back to sleep and all will be well.
     

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    Here is some information for you to consider:

    "A study by Maplight, spotted by DSLReports, claims that “Comcast, AT&T, Verizon and the National Cable & Telecommunications Association (NCTA) have spent $572 million on attempts to influence the FCC and other government agencies since 2008.” To put that in perspective, that’s more money spent on lobbying than the defense, automotive, or banking industries over the same period. Only the pharmaceutical and oil industries have consistently spent more."


    Now do you really think that Comcast spent close to half a billion dollars to get rid of net neutrality for no financial reason? Do you really believe that they just said, "you know what we have all this extra cash laying around. We could have a really big bonfire or we could just lobby the government about something we don't care about?"


    They spent all of that money - more money than just about any other interest group - to kill net neutrality because they expect to make a ton more money off of us, once net neutrality was killed.

    But hey you are right, it is probably not a threat. Just like the guy wandering around your back yard at night with the hockey mask on and the bloody ax is just a guy looking for his lost kitten and definitely not a threat to you and yours. Go back to sleep and all will be well.

    LOL, well put. And somebody else up-thread thinks they're doing it simply because they're wanting to give him a years worth of half-priced Netflix, and this is the only thing on God's green earth stopping them from doing so.
     

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    Hahahaha, you seriously can't.......... I'm at a loss.
    I guess conservative values of less government interference really is dead.


    You guys have fun discussing the boogie man corporations. I'll leave you alone with one final point, we didn't have rape laws until people were being raped.

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    So would you also argue that we shouldn't be getting UN resolutions against North Korea and economically and politically sanctioning them, because, well they really haven't nuked anyone yet? they only have the capability, to use your example of not restricting men because they are "rape ready"? After all, North Korea, is simply getting "war ready".

    What about utilities like power companies and water companies? Remove all regulation, and let them set their rates exactly how they like? Unlimited rate increases? Higher fees for rural customers? Lower rates for homeowners? I mean they a lower credit risk then apartment renters, are they not?

    Same with insurance companies? Unlimited rate increases every year?

    And again please, how is asking ISPs to treat all traffic equally, how is that exactly, "punishing them" ?
     

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    Here's all I need to know about Net Neutrality. Obama started it. It's supported by the same gang of thugs who support Obama Care, and who say that "man made global warming is settled science", Jefg Bezos (Washington Post), Amazon (Jeff Bezos), Cory Booker (avowed Commie), Nanci Pelosi (Left Coast Wacko), and other ultra left liberals of their ilk.

    Anything they say is absolutely required for my own good is bound to turn out to be bad for me. Obama saw the Internet thriving and doing quite well without government interference and he just couldn't stand it. Since he and his anti-American haters think government MUST control everything, they forced net neutrality down our throats.

    Now, my provider might promote a half price Net Flix for a year or some other competitive offer; something they couldn't do under net neutrality.



    The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'Ronald Reagan
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    You mean the Ronald Reagan who outlawed new machine guns and urged a complete ban on semi-auto AR's and AKs? THAT Ronald Reagan?
     

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    Yep he supported the Assault weapon ban:

    "No less important was Mr. Reagan’s endorsement in 1994 of the assault weapons ban that was a major attempt to deal with efforts by domestic arms makers to sell adapted weapons of war to civilian buyers in the name of sportsmanship. “We can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals,” Mr. Reagan declared in a joint letter to Congress with former presidents Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford. The measure banning a wide range of military style guns and large-capacity ammunition clips narrowly passed, with supporters citing the letter. One lawmaker who dropped his opposition, Representative Michael Andrews, a Democrat and hunter from Texas, declared, “Anyone that needs a 20-round clip of high-velocity ammunition to fell a duck or deer needs to look into taking up golf.”
     

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    For the "if it ain't broke don't fix it folks",

    Comcast in particular has messed with competitor's internet speeds before:

    "In 2007, Comcast, the largest cable company in the US, was found to be blocking or severely delaying BitTorrent uploads on their network using a technique which involved creating 'reset' packets (TCP RST) that appeared to come from the other party. An August 2007 report by TorrentFreak (based on substantial nationwide research led by chief researcher Andrew Norton) noted that ISPs had been throttling BitTorrent traffic for almost two years, since 2005, but Comcast was completely blocking it in at least some cases.This was later verified by both the EFF and Associated Press."

    "In August 2008, the FCC made its first Internet network management decision. It voted 3-to-2 to uphold a complaint against Comcast ruling that it had illegally inhibited users of its high-speed Internet service from using file-sharing software because it throttled the bandwidth available to certain customers for video files to ensure that other customers had adequate bandwidth."

    By the way BitTorrent is software used to facilitate the download of movies and music from the internet.

    So we know that Comcast has already done in the past, exactly what everyone was afraid will happen in the future - block or limit internet access. We know that they spent Millions in fees to lawyers to fight the FCC in an unsuccessful attempt to avoid responsibility for their actions, and we know that they have spent over half a billion in lobbying contributions to have net neutrality regulations repealed.

    So to borrow from Tom Clancy - I think we can say that there is a "clear and present danger" to our open and unlimited access to the internet.
     
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    If your ISP charges you $5 per funny cat video, then don't watch funny cat videos. If you think your ISP is a greedy SOB that operates on a ridiculously thick margin on the back of their customers, then start your own ISP and operate on a smaller margin and steal customers from them. I think that sounds like a great business opportunity, not a reason to be an arrogant cuck, knot your panties all up and whine about it.

    The underlying concept behind this whole debate is: do we have a RIGHT to the internet? If we do then the whole effing thing should be free. And if that's the case, then we probably have a RIGHT to far more impactful things like education, healthcare, air travel, etc. This is sounding very familiar. Don't like the price of a product, don't buy it. But don't be a little bitch and cry about how you're entitled to it. You sound like my spoiled-ass teenagers. :Cry: or a bunch of sand-in-my-vag snowflakes

    Me personally, when the internet becomes prohibitively expensive, I will do without it, just like I did successfully for the first 30 years of my life. If I live out in a rural area and I can't afford the internet, I will go out and do all that rural-ish crap that I probably moved out of the shit-hole city to do in the first place.
     

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    My take on the whole thing is I really don't care.

    I am about ready to give it up and retire and move to Costa Rica, Colombia... Someplace cheap and don't own a car, phone, or whatever and be able to walk to the market.

    I was just in Riohacha Colombia and I really enjoyed it there. Everything was cheap we could like like Kings there. I have a few Friends from South Africa further south than Cape Town and man it's nice there and cheap... I could pay cash for a house or condo in there places.

    I might be working in Ivory Coast, Africa and will get to check that place out.

    And yes some places will let you bring some of your guns and I can definitely bring my high end air guns.




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    We've already bought land and a house out of country. Two guns per land owner where we are planing on going. Damn, now folks are going to offer even less for the guns I'm trying to sell.:behindsofa:
     

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    get rid of it, all was good before 2015 and market forces will prevail. If something gets out of hand then let the Govt address it...Nothing is better with the Govt, how is the VA? welfare?congress?..Look at Trump killing regs and the economy is racing ahead!

    So why did he let this crap pass?
     

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    Net Neutrality Bye Bye

    Anyone have any thoughts on this whole net neutrality... I'm all for limited government but in the case I'm not so sure... If anyone doesn't know what net neutrality is, it's pretty much Internet service providers must treat all data on the Internet the same, and not discriminate or charge differently by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or method of communication. For instance, under these principles, internet service providers are unable to intentionally block, slow down or charge money for specific websites and online content. That's it summed up by Wikipedia and frankly I couldn't do any better to sum it up. Below is an example of what could happen if net neutrality is removed. Thoughts?

    I've spent a lot of time thinking about this. I think that the reason Twitter, Facebook, Netflix, etc. are up in arms about it is because it will cost them - not us little people, well not directly. In many cases, the reason our internet is degrading is because of mega services like them who hog and clog the internet pipes. I think they should pay more just like any other industry. Dump trucks that hammer our roads should pay more - and the do, than a grandma who rides a scooter once a month. Net neutrality has a scent of socialism if you ask me. Getting rid of it seems more like the American free market I know and I am for it. My hope is that it will spawn a new industry of niche ISP's or some variant. It's what free markets do. Yes, the costs may get passed down through ISP's to us, but perhaps it will cause free market to innovate a solution. If the government is in it, you're locked down and there's no incentive to innovate anything. My theory is that if we keep going at this pace, the internet itself will break down - everyone knows it's already a serious problem. So it's reasonable to charge mega services more than little men like us. The web is breaking down, that's one reason why decentralization and the block chain technology is coming on the scene. People are solving the problem with blockchain. An example is IPFS (Interplanetary File System). They call it the distributed web because its all of the web sitting on personal machines around the world instead of datacenters like the ones these mega services use to store all our info. Yes, I know it's debatable whether or not blockchain or ipfs is the same as the http but it's just some thoughts..

    I know this is a very small part of the debate but it's my humble opinion in this moment. I realize there is a down side to everything. This change has a downside, but it also has an upside; which net neutrality did not have in the long run. Then again, I could be all wrong about everything I've just said. Hhahahah. :D

    P.S. And we could keep or create a separate law to prevent ISP's from discrimination. We could have that without net neutrality.
     
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    Wow, there sure are a lot of opinions! You know what they say about opinions; they're like a-holes, everyone has one. Honestly, do you trust the goverment? If you trust the goverment to run the Internet, "in a fair way", then why not trust them to interput the 2nd Adminment, "in a fair way"? If you don't like your Intenet Carrier, change to one more to your liking. Keep the goverment, i.e. Big Brother out of our lives!
     
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