5.56 round making. Can you?

Red · Sep 14, 2017

Little Jack's Guns said:
I've seen some 855A1 bullets available in small quantities, few and far between. Anyone else see them available consistently anywhere?

I personally have only seen them in the military. Heck of a round though. Besides being "green" and earth friendly or whatever, they make some horrible wound channels at all distances, not like the regular 855 where you had to have that sweet spot for it to fragment or tumble.

Zeroed in · Sep 14, 2017

myths1 said:
Can anybody press a556 around for me I won't need many but I'm ordering some special tips which can only be sold as a bullet not cased and powdered already

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myths1 said:
Black tip

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If someone is thinking about reloading for him (Myths1), be forewarned it is a Felony to do it in Florida. And if he's trolling, you're probably now on Big Brothers watch list.

FSS 790.31 Armor-piercing or exploding ammunition or dragon’s breath shotgun shells, bolo shells, or flechette shells prohibited.—

(2)(a) Any person who manufactures, sells, offers for sale, or delivers any armor-piercing bullet or exploding bullet, or dragon’s breath shotgun shell, bolo shell, or flechette shell is guilty of a felony of the third degree,

(b) Any person who possesses an armor-piercing bullet or exploding bullet with knowledge of its armor-piercing or exploding capabilities loaded in a handgun, or who possesses a dragon’s breath shotgun shell, bolo shell, or flechette shell with knowledge of its capabilities loaded in a firearm, is guilty of a felony of the third degree

Droshki · Sep 14, 2017

Mmm...

Looks like it might be a good time to shut this one down.

JohnAL · Sep 15, 2017

I think it is a positive thread.

I shows that the reloaders here have some common sense.
It educated at least one person on FL firearm laws.

Droshki · Sep 15, 2017

Fair enough. Just didn't want to see anyone end up in trouble.

Bowhntr6pt · Sep 18, 2017

Zeroed in said:
If someone is thinking about reloading for him (Myths1), be forewarned it is a Felony to do it in Florida. And if he's trolling, you're probably now on Big Brothers watch list.

FSS 790.31 Armor-piercing or exploding ammunition or dragon’s breath shotgun shells, bolo shells, or flechette shells prohibited.—

(2)(a) Any person who manufactures, sells, offers for sale, or delivers any armor-piercing bullet or exploding bullet, or dragon’s breath shotgun shell, bolo shell, or flechette shell is guilty of a felony of the third degree,

(b) Any person who possesses an armor-piercing bullet or exploding bullet with knowledge of its armor-piercing or exploding capabilities loaded in a handgun, or who possesses a dragon’s breath shotgun shell, bolo shell, or flechette shell with knowledge of its capabilities loaded in a firearm, is guilty of a felony of the third degree

Wrong... AP rifle ammo is lawful in FL. You failed to read the definition of "Armor piercing bullet" as it is used in the law you cited.

(1) As used in this section, the term:

(a) “Armor-piercing bullet” means any bullet which has a steel inner core or core of equivalent hardness and a truncated cone and which is designed for use in a handgun as an armor-piercing or metal-piercing bullet.

fl57caveman · Sep 18, 2017

Bowhntr6pt said:
Wrong... AP rifle ammo is lawful in FL. You failed to read the definition of "Armor piercing bullet" as it is used in the law you cited.

(1) As used in this section, the term:

(a) “Armor-piercing bullet” means any bullet which has a steel inner core or core of equivalent hardness and a truncated cone and which is designed for use in a handgun as an armor-piercing or metal-piercing bullet.

I believe this is correct....from my hazy memory of reading it many moons ago

donr101395 · Sep 18, 2017

Bowhntr6pt said:
Wrong... AP rifle ammo is lawful in FL. You failed to read the definition of "Armor piercing bullet" as it is used in the law you cited.

(1) As used in this section, the term:

(a) “Armor-piercing bullet” means any bullet which has a steel inner core or core of equivalent hardness and a truncated cone and which is designed for use in a handgun as an armor-piercing or metal-piercing bullet.

An AR pistol in 7.62x39 is what killed the Chinese imported ammo, 5.45 AK pistols killed 7N6 import, and since these can be fired in an AR pistol, I wouldn't be willing to make that stretch considering they won't sell .22LR to someone under 21 because it can be fired in a pistol.

This dude has a low post count and is asking people to do something either marginally legal or absolutely illegal. Anyone who would entertain the idea is an idiot.

Zeroed in · Sep 18, 2017

Bowhntr6pt said:
Wrong... AP rifle ammo is lawful in FL. You failed to read the definition of "Armor piercing bullet" as it is used in the law you cited.

(1) As used in this section, the term:

(a) “Armor-piercing bullet” means any bullet which has a steel inner core or core of equivalent hardness and a truncated cone and which is designed for use in a handgun as an armor-piercing or metal-piercing bullet.

Hmm, okay, I was reading the bolos loaded in a firearm. I stand corrected, thank you. But I'll steer clear of them anyways.

wildrider666 · Sep 18, 2017

Smells of WildDog here. Lol.

Bowhntr6pt · Sep 19, 2017

donr101395 said:
An AR pistol in 7.62x39 is what killed the Chinese imported ammo, 5.45 AK pistols killed 7N6 import, and since these can be fired in an AR pistol, I wouldn't be willing to make that stretch considering they won't sell .22LR to someone under 21 because it can be fired in a pistol.

This dude has a low post count and is asking people to do something either marginally legal or absolutely illegal. Anyone who would entertain the idea is an idiot.

Until state law changes to include rifles/long guns, or case law includes them, AP ammo in initial rifle chambering is lawful.

Nothing marginally legal or absolutely illegal about it as the law stands today... you're speculating on legal outcomes.

However, the advent and development of pistols chambered in traditional rifle cartridges WILL be something for future court consideration... especially in the area of uncased long guns in private vehicles. Currently FL law allows uncased long guns but not pistols because of the "readily accessible for immediate use" clause in the law. Case law established long guns by virtue of their size/length renders them cumbersome in the confines of a MV... but SBR's certainly can be manipulated inside a MV... something that certainly will be before the courts in the future.

You do have a point however with pistols now being chambered in rifle ammo configuration as a consideration for future litigation. But as the law stands today, there is no "stretch" legally to do what the OP is asking.

wildrider666 · Sep 19, 2017

Feds state in "No person shall manufacture or ........ " Reloading is manufacturing. My non-lawyer opinion is OP is requesting someone commit a unlawful act.

27 CFR
§ 478.37 Manufacture, importation and sale of armor piercing ammunition.

No person shall manufacture or import, and no manufacturer or importer shall sell or deliver, armor piercing ammunition, except:

(a) The manufacture or importation, or the sale or delivery by anymanufacturer or importer, of armor piercing ammunition for the use of the United States or any department or agency thereof or any State or any department, agency or political subdivision thereof;

(b) The manufacture, or the sale or delivery by a manufacturer or importer, ofarmor piercing ammunition for the purpose of exportation; or

(c) The sale or delivery by a manufacturer or importer of armor piercing ammunition for the purposes of testing or experimentation as authorized by the Director under the provisions of § 478.149.

Bowhntr6pt · Sep 19, 2017

wildrider666 said:
Feds state in "No person shall manufacture or ........ " Reloading is manufacturing. My non-lawyer opinion is OP is requesting someone commit a unlawful act.

27 CFR
§ 478.37 Manufacture, importation and sale of armor piercing ammunition.

No person shall manufacture or import, and no manufacturer or importer shall sell or deliver, armor piercing ammunition, except:

(a) The manufacture or importation, or the sale or delivery by anymanufacturer or importer, of armor piercing ammunition for the use of the United States or any department or agency thereof or any State or any department, agency or political subdivision thereof;

(b) The manufacture, or the sale or delivery by a manufacturer or importer, ofarmor piercing ammunition for the purpose of exportation; or

(c) The sale or delivery by a manufacturer or importer of armor piercing ammunition for the purposes of testing or experimentation as authorized by the Director under the provisions of § 478.149.

GOOD POINT! That's why I put state law in bold.

To answer the poster who asked... I see AP pulls for sale all the time. Now whether or not the legislative intent of the above cited Administrative Law includes private/personal reloading of pulled bullets, which it very well may, it may or may not be a Federal violation.

I'm going to make some phone calls to some ATF folks and see what they say about the above cited law and it's intended application.

donr101395 · Sep 19, 2017

Bowhntr6pt said:
Until state law changes to include rifles/long guns, or case law includes them, AP ammo in initial rifle chambering is lawful.

Nothing marginally legal or absolutely illegal about it as the law stands today... you're speculating on legal outcomes.

However, the advent and development of pistols chambered in traditional rifle cartridges WILL be something for future court consideration... especially in the area of uncased long guns in private vehicles. Currently FL law allows uncased long guns but not pistols because of the "readily accessible for immediate use" clause in the law. Case law established long guns by virtue of their size/length renders them cumbersome in the confines of a MV... but SBR's certainly can be manipulated inside a MV... something that certainly will be before the courts in the future.

You do have a point however with pistols now being chambered in rifle ammo configuration as a consideration for future litigation. But as the law stands today, there is no "stretch" legally to do what the OP is asking.

I don't disagree on the surface. The definition of armor piercing ammo is the same in both state and federal statutes. I just don't want to be the test case for AP ammo capable of being used in an AR pistol.
Personally I think the entire thing is stupid, but no one has elected me to write gun laws and you couldn't pay me enough to enforce them in this day and age. Glad my wife got out of that gig. You guys don't get paid enough to deal with the stupidity you deal with.

donr101395 · Sep 19, 2017

wildrider666 said:
Feds state in "No person shall manufacture or ........ " Reloading is manufacturing. My non-lawyer opinion is OP is requesting someone commit a unlawful act.

27 CFR
§ 478.37 Manufacture, importation and sale of armor piercing ammunition.

No person shall manufacture or import, and no manufacturer or importer shall sell or deliver, armor piercing ammunition, except:

(a) The manufacture or importation, or the sale or delivery by anymanufacturer or importer, of armor piercing ammunition for the use of the United States or any department or agency thereof or any State or any department, agency or political subdivision thereof;

(b) The manufacture, or the sale or delivery by a manufacturer or importer, ofarmor piercing ammunition for the purpose of exportation; or

(c) The sale or delivery by a manufacturer or importer of armor piercing ammunition for the purposes of testing or experimentation as authorized by the Director under the provisions of § 478.149.

The definition of armor piercing on that statute is the same as the state statute.

kendive · Sep 20, 2017

I know what to do shoot some manufactured AP rounds out of your pistol AR while shouldering your sig brace... That will blow there minds!!!

I just had to go there. Ha ha ha

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Little Jack · Sep 20, 2017

kendive said:
I know what to do shoot some manufactured AP rounds out of your pistol AR while shouldering your sig brace... That will blow there minds!!!

I just had to go there. Ha ha ha

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Don't forget to do that with the 80% lower you finished without the serial number.

kendive · Sep 20, 2017

Little Jack's Guns said:
Don't forget to do that with the 80% lower you finished without the serial number.

Oh yea prefect!!!

If you gonna break some made up rules gotta do it right.

FLT · Sep 20, 2017

Little Jack's Guns said:
Don't forget to do that with the 80% lower you finished without the serial number.

If you only shoot it 80% of the time you don't need a serial number. Right ? :twitch::attention:

fishingjean · Sep 20, 2017

Why would anyone need this kind of ammo, hunt ??? Go through animal an keep on going ???

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