wildrider666 said:

Research sure, here is the correct answer: Its not just pushed off on the rich. Everybody increases in their taxes. Every single line that says a "Company (several different names used) pays $ X: where is the bottom line of who exactly pays that? There is a Line that specifically says Cost Sharing but every person paying for a policy is in fact paying the bills for some one else too, if this was not the case premiums would never need to be raised at the extreme levels every single year after the ACA became Law. The Law is based on this: people that worker pay for their insurance at a level to support the unhealty and non-workers.

http://alignamerica.com/node/62

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.9% Increase in Medicare Tax Rate (plus next item…)
3.8% New Tax on unearned income for high-income taxpayers= $210.2 billion ($200,000 for individual and $250,000 for joint filers)
New Annual Fee on health insurance providers = $60 billion (For calculation - Sec 9010 (b) of the PPACA.)[1]
40% New Tax on health insurance policies which cost more than $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for a family, per year = $32 billion (inland tax as opposed to an importation tax)
New Annual Fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs = $27 billion (For calculation - Sec 9008 (b) of the PPACA)[2]
2.3% New Tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices = $20 billion
+2.5% Increase (7.5% to 10%) in the Adjusted Gross Income floor on medical expenses deduction = $15.2 billion
Limit annual contributions to $2,500 on flexible spending arrangements in cafeteria plans (plans that allow employees to choose between different types of benefits) = $13 billion
All other revenue sources = $14.9 billion

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wildrider666 said:

Lies and more lies. And the knew they were lies when those words rolled of there lips.

https://americansforprosperity.org/re-obamacare-lies-lets-make-obamacares-last-birthday/

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You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other items. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention — it’s about diet, not diabetes.

It’s going to be very, very exciting. But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.

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Imagine an economy where people could follow their aspirations, where they could be entrepreneurial, where they could take risks professionally because personally their families [sic] health care needs are being met. Where they could be self-employed or start a business, not be job-locked in a job because they have health care there, and if they went out on their own it would be unaffordable to them, but especially true, if someone has a child with a pre-existing condition. So when we pass our bill, never again will people be denied coverage because they have a pre-existing condition.

We have to do this in partnership, and I wanted to bring [you] up to date on where we see it from here. The final health care legislation that will soon be passed by Congress will deliver successful reform at the local level. It will offer paid for investments that will improve health care services and coverage for millions more Americans. It will make significant investments in innovation, prevention, wellness and offer robust support for public health infrastructure. It will dramatically expand investments into community health centers. That means a dramatic expansion in the number of patients community health centers can see and ultimately healthier communities. Our bill will significantly reduce uncompensated care for hospitals.

You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention–it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting.

But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.

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Droshki said:

Like most questions on this topic, the answers are not short and simple:


http://www.kff.org/uninsured/fact-sheet/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-population/

But they DO exist.


It would seem from the chart shown in the link above (which is actually a quite lengthy research report with multiple charts and 41 citations to document the research), that of the people still uninsured, the majority of them are for reasons other than "too expensive".

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Droshki said:

And then finally, as sleep calls--

If Obamacare is so awfully terrible, unbelievably bad, and absolutely MUST be repealed at ANY cost--why hasn't a Republican controlled House, and a Republican controlled Senate, and a Republican president, all of who had over 7 years to work out a much,much, much better plan ---been simply unable to do so?

If Obamacare is garbage, shouldn't it be simple to improve upon?


(thanks for keeping it civil WR)

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wildrider666 said:

This Chart? Look at all the reasons and the notes about them that you use to get your "Majority" compared to making a deliberate decision that its too expensive! Thats pathetic logic and I understand why you didn't paste the chart here.
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wildrider666 said:

We all know why: They used it as a deception to get elected telling the majority what they wanted to hear, now they are spinless. A day of reckoning will come as each tries to keep there job in the GOP Primaries.

My position on ACA will not change as I doubt others Pro or Con would either. No need to spin wheels any more. Thanks for the debate.

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