Long night for Baltimore

Loki · Apr 28, 2015

Tell me again about how this is ALL about what happened with the Police and Gray ....

Nothing makes a case for injustice and demanding said justice like looting stores.

Droshki · Apr 28, 2015

maxfold said:
When he was first stopped was it an undercover sting ?? Or a stop and search .how did it start ? ...the gravity knife should not be a switch blade ! Spring assist ,these are common types ,switch blade is sideopening auto. Was he involved with a illegal gun sale / buy. And if so was it stolen? Trying to understand how this started .

You are confusing this case with the Oklahoma case, where the police killed a different black man in a gun sting. There are plenty of news articles on both cases for you to understand them both, completely and separately.

Django · Apr 28, 2015

These pictures indicate that there is a shortage of paper products in many of Baltimores homes.

Viking1204 · Apr 28, 2015

Droshki said:
Because a long rap sheet isn't justification for extrajudicial execution by severing of a man's spinal cord. No way. No how. Not in America.

Again, you have NO IDEA what happened in that van. He could have very easily broke free and then severed his spinal cord when the driver hit the brakes. Without knowing exactly what happened you are making a crap load of assumptions just like all the rioters.

Droshki · Apr 28, 2015

Viking1204 said:
Geez Droshki, look at his rap sheet, he's a hardened felon that was getting more dangerous with age and you are defending him like he was your brother. You must really not like cops if you're willing to take the side of a felon with his rap sheet. It's obvious he has no qualms about breaking the law. As was stated before, how many crimes did he commit that he wasn't caught? Sure the cops made some mistakes but you act like this guy was a saint. You have no clue what went on in that Van, he could have turned on the cops knowing his latest arrest would problem put him away for a long time due to repeated convictions for the same crime. Even the media is painting him as a saint, not one of the main stream articles I've read bring up his long rap sheet and felony convictions, it's almost like the media is trying to incite the riots so they have something to cover.

There was no accident, or a few bad apples or none of these silly excuses. Nickel rides were a known, institutional, issue, else the police commissioner would not have felt the need to address it with specific policy changes. These morons just got caught.

Jail time.

Droshki · Apr 28, 2015

Viking1204 said:
Again, you have NO IDEA what happened in that van. He could have very easily broke free and then severed his spinal cord when the driver hit the brakes. Without knowing exactly what happened you are making a crap load of assumptions just like all the rioters.

Think I'll just go ahead with Occam's razor on this one.

FrankT · Apr 28, 2015

I think it was a simple slip and fall, the video released of the Van and it driving showed no quick turns or fast stops. You cannot convict before an investigation and there has not been enough time for that.

Jeb21 · Apr 28, 2015

Viking1204 said:
Jeb I think you only need to look at one place when it comes to the fact they had to weeks to prepare, the Mayor of Baltimore. It's almost like she wanted this to happen.

The Mayor said on camera over the weekend: "we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well".

And how about the fact that Maryland's Governor had a hard time getting in touch with her.

"When the mayor called me, which quite frankly we were glad that she finally did, instantly we signed the executive order," Gov. Larry Hogan, a Republican, said. "We [had] our entire team prepared. ... We were trying to get in touch with the mayor for quite some time. She finally made that call and we immediately took action."

Given those facts she does seem to be a problem.

Viking1204 · Apr 28, 2015

Droshki has already convicted them as if he was there and could be the Judge and Jury himself. Again, an investigation takes time to get it right. It's no excuse for the animals that are rioting in Baltimore, not one bit.

Droshki · Apr 28, 2015

Viking1204 said:
Droshki has already convicted them as if he was there and could be the Judge and Jury himself. Again, an investigation takes time to get it right. It's no excuse for the animals that are rioting in Baltimore, not one bit.

Two weeks is more than ample time to make a charging decision on a murder case.

Loki · Apr 28, 2015

Droshki said:
There was no accident, or a few bad apples or none of these silly excuses. Nickel rides were a known, institutional, issue, else the police commissioner would not have felt the need to address it with specific policy changes. These morons just got caught.

Jail time.

But it is a few officers not department wide, the investigation is still ongoing and irregardless it still does not justify the rioting and looting going on.

Fletch · Apr 28, 2015

Viking1204 said:
Fletch that situation isn't even close to his, he's a felon with a long rap sheet. He ran from the cops because that is the life he chose.

Maybe....maybe not. His rap sheet is not that of a violent felon and I've seen much worse. It looks like a drugie/possible small time dealer who got increasingly wrapped up in the criminal justice system and was probably charged with assault for running or resisting arrest. They pile up every charge they possibly can and poor people with overworked public defenders can't get those things dropped.

My point was saying we never know all the circumstances and maybe shouldn't be so quick to judge but I feel like I'm mostly speaking to sanctimoniously deaf ears on this. The mob is screaming crucify him crucify him even after the fact he was unjustly murdered.

In no way does his unfortunate death justify the true opportunistic thugs out looting who would have had no problem capping him for looking at them wrong. People have their stereotypical boxes they quickly put people into on both sides. Many here have the image of the violent black gang banging thug they put Freddy Gray into and it allows them to condone or outright cheer his abusive death at the hands of some criminal policemen. Many out doing the looting see all the cops as racist men out to violate their rights and do them harm and justify their lawless actions with it. The fact is both are wrong and neither attitude will bring an end to this kind of situation. It's not simply a black and white issue...no pun intended. Lots of shades of grey in this.

FrankT · Apr 28, 2015

Droshki said:
Two weeks is more than ample time to make a charging decision on a murder case.

Now that is delusional thinking and shows no knowledge of investigations

Droshki · Apr 28, 2015

As was pointed out earlier, even if space aliens teleported into the van and broke the guys neck, he was still BPDs responsibility. Even the police commissioner admitted that.

" Batts told The Associated Press on Thursday. "It's our responsibility to make sure people are safely transported, especially if their hands are behind their back."

Loki · Apr 28, 2015

Django said:
These pictures indicate that there is a shortage of paper products in many of Baltimores homes.

Yeah - "Don't buy into the hype - we just gotta wipe"

Droshki · Apr 28, 2015

Here, I'll show you how stupid this argument is. If a baltimore cop was locked in a closed room with six Crips members for thirty minutes, and we opened the door and the cops neck was broken, how many of you would be arguing that he somehow broke his own neck, or that we needed more then 2 weeks to investigate what happened?

Loki · Apr 28, 2015

Droshki said:
Two weeks is more than ample time to make a charging decision on a murder case.

It takes time to go over the evidence and make SURE in a murder case.
Rushed rash decisions, especially those based on emotion or public attitudes fail from the start.
If there is evidence there to support, sure, but if there is any sliver of reasonable doubt ... any sliver at all ...

Droshki · Apr 28, 2015

Loki said:
It takes time to go over the evidence and make SURE in a murder case.
Rushed rash decisions, especially those based on emotion or public attitudes fail from the start.
If there is evidence there to support, sure, but if there is any sliver of reasonable doubt ... any sliver at all ...

Five of the six cops involved gave voluntary statements the day of the incident. One declined. There is no video evidence. I don't know what the other transport prisoner's status is.

How complicated is this really?

Droshki · Apr 28, 2015

Droshki said:
Five of the six cops involved gave voluntary statements the day of the incident. One declined. There is no video evidence. I don't know what the other transport prisoner's status is.

How complicated is this really?

You take the sixth cop and tell him to give a statement, or take the fifth.

If he takes the fifth, you charge him.

Common sense.

Loki · Apr 28, 2015

Droshki said:
Five of the six cops involved gave voluntary statements the day of the incident. One declined. There is no video evidence. I don't know what the other transport prisoner's status is.

How complicated is this really?

Very.
Do all the statements corroborate each other?
Are there ANY discrepancies?
The 6th declined ... on what grounds.
Were they paid to stop the transport and let someone in to settle a score?
Is there anything in their record showing a pattern?
Are there any prior complaints against the officers involved?
Were the 2 detainees really separated?
Why don't you know the status of the other detainee?
If one detainee was injured to the point of being deceased, is the other detainee harmed at all?

Justice rushed is justice perverted.

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