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    FedEx And UPS Refuse to Ship a Digital Mill That Can Make Untraceable Guns
    By Andy Greenberg


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    The Ghost Gunner, which measures about a foot in each dimension.
    The Ghost Gunner, which measures about a foot in each dimension. Defense Distributed

    Editor’s note: This story has been updated with UPS’s statement on its refusal to ship digital milling machines used to create firearms.

    The new generation of “maker” tools like 3-D printers and milling machines promises to let anyone make virtually anything—from prosthetic limbs to firearms—in the privacy and convenience of his or her own home. But first, those tools have to get to customers’ homes. That’s going to be difficult for at least one new machine with the potential to make homemade firearms, because FedEx is refusing to deliver it.

    Last week FedEx told firearm-access nonprofit Defense Distributed that the company refuses to ship the group’s new tool, a computer controlled (CNC) mill known as the Ghost Gunner. Defense Distributed has marketed its one-foot-cubed $1,500 machine, which allows anyone to automatically carve aluminum objects from digital designs, as an affordable, private way to make an AR-15 rifle body without a serial number. Add in off-the-shelf parts that can be ordered online, and the Ghost Gunner would allow anyone to create one of the DIY, untraceable, semi-automatic firearms sometimes known as “ghost guns.”

    When the machine was revealed last October, Defense Distributed’s pre-orders sold out in 36 hours. But now FedEx tells WIRED it’s too wary of the legal issues around homemade gunsmithing to ship the machine to customers. “This device is capable of manufacturing firearms, and potentially by private individuals,” FedEx spokesperson Scott Fiedler wrote in a statement. “We are uncertain at this time whether this device is a regulated commodity by local, state or federal governments. As such, to ensure we comply with the applicable law and regulations, FedEx declined to ship this device until we know more about how it will be regulated.”

    But buying, selling, or using the Ghost Gunner isn’t illegal, nor is owning an AR-15 without a serial number, says Adam Winkler, a law professor at UCLA and the author of Gunfight: The Battle over the Right to Bear Arms in America. “This is not that problematic,” he says. “Federal law does not prohibit individuals from making their own firearms at home, and that includes AR-15s.”

    Defense Distributed’s founder Cody Wilson argues that rather than a legal ambiguity, FedEx is instead facing up to the political gray area of enabling the sale of new, easily accessible tools that can make anything—including deadly weapons. “They’re acting like this is legal when in fact it’s the expression of a political preference,” says Wilson. “The artifact that they’re shipping is a CNC mill. There’s nothing about it that is specifically related to firearms except the hocus pocus of the marketing.”

    Wilson, whose radically libertarian group has pursued projects ranging from 3-D printed guns to untraceable cryptocurrency, says he chose to ship his Ghost Gunner machines with FedEx specifically because the company has a special NRA firearm industry membership. But when he told a local FedEx representative what he’d be shipping, he says the sales rep responded that he’d need to check with a superior. “This is no big deal, right? It’s just a mill,” Wilson says he told his FedEx contact. “You guys ship guns. You’ve shipped 3-D printers and mills, right? You’ll ship a drill press, right? Same difference.”

    Last week the FedEx rep told Wilson in a phone conversation that it wouldn’t ship his mills, though it didn’t offer any legal or policy explanation of the decision until WIRED’s inquiry. After its statement about the Ghost Gunner’s questionable legality, FedEx spokesperson Fiedler declined to comment further on its decision not to ship the devices. Fiedler pointed me to a list of items FedEx won’t ship, ranging from hazardous waste to human corpses. He noted that it also includes marijuana, an example of an item that’s banned by FedEx despite being legal in some states. The list doesn’t include anything about guns or gun-making tools.

    The US Postal Service didn’t immediately respond to questions about whether they would allow the shipment of the Ghost Gunner or other potential gunsmithing devices. A UPS spokesperson wrote in a statement that the company will only ship guns and gun parts between holders of a federal firearms license. In a follow-up statement, it confirmed that it won’t ship the Ghost Gunner either. “UPS reserves the right to refuse to provide transportation service for, among other reasons, any shipments that create legal, safety or operational concerns,” writes spokesperson Dan Mackin. “UPS is continuing to evaluate such concerns with regard to the transportation of milling machines used to produce operable firearms but, at this point in time, will not accept such devices for transportation.”1 2

    FedEx’s and UPS’s decisions seem to be another test case for the new, politically fraught era of powerful, general purpose consumer manufacturing machines. Just as personal computers can be used for everything from biological research to malicious hacking, 3-D printers and CNC mills will also enable plenty of dangerous objects to be made along with garden gnomes and gadget prototypes.

    The Ghost Gunner is technically a multipurpose milling machine that could make a variety of metal objects. But it’s not marketed for making garden gnomes; Everything from the machine’s name to a marketing video showing it being used to make an serial-numberless AR-15 makes clear that the device’s primary purpose is manufacturing guns. “This is a way to jab at the bleeding hearts of these total statists,” Wilson told WIRED in October. “It’s about humiliating the power that wants to humiliate you.”

    Gun enthusiasts have been legally milling their own AR-15 lower receivers—the regulated body of the gun—for years using more expensive tools, and more recently 3-D printing them in plastic. A California bill to outlaw the home manufacture of unserialized firearms was vetoed by the state’s governor, Jerry Brown, who wrote in his veto letter that he “can’t see how adding a serial number to a homemade gun would significantly advance public safety.”

    Of course, the controversy around Defense Distributed is far more than legal; plenty of other companies have opted to keep their distance. Indiegogo booted the group’s initial fundraiser off the site in 2012. And 3-D printer maker Stratasys refused to continue renting a printer to the group after learning that its machine was being used to make gun components.

    FedEx seems to be joining the same club of companies trying to avoid any part in digital DIY gunsmithing. But as more tools like 3-D printers and CNC mills find their way into Americans’ homes, they may have to face the reality that those devices can also create deadly weapons, says UCLA’s Winkler. “It’s going to be very hard to get people to stop using these same devices to make firearms,” he says. “To a certain extent, FedEx will have to get used to shipping gun-making machines.”
     

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    Viking1204

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    https://ghostgunner.net/

    They screwed up when they named the damn thing Ghost Gunner and created a website with the same name. They should have just sold it as a 3D printer and nobody would have been the wiser, well until they caught on!
     

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    Ridiculous ... Do they not ship syringes BC they are afraid people will boot up heroine? Ammo, powder for fear of bomb making? Bring on the zombies, this country needs to have the herd thinned big-time...
     

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    https://ghostgunner.net/

    They screwed up when they named the damn thing Ghost Gunner and created a website with the same name. They should have just sold it as a 3D printer and nobody would have been the wiser, well until they caught on!

    Correct. It's my understanding that this started out with a debate with FedEx about shipping rates the manufacture disagreed with, and escalated into what we have now. I am not sure he's got anyone to blame but himself.

    That said, as you can see from my post above, there are many freight shipping companies available. FedEx and UPS hardly have a lock. He should just pick one and go about his business. Continuing to trumpet his dissatisfaction all over the internet may very well bring him attention of the sort that he doesn't want
     

    Droshki

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    It's my understanding that this machine is built and marketed specifically for the (mass) completion of 80% lowers.

    There's been some pretty high profile cases lately, especially, the "completion parties", which if you look at them, clearly danced on the line of legality.

    Again, Im not sure what he's trying to accomplish. If he was wise, he would just call up DHL and tell them he's got some 3-axis milling machines to ship, and go about his business.
     
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    Brandon_SPC

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    Well it is a business and they can deny business if they want just like I can pick where I want do my business. What irritates me is if some refuses to sell a gay marriage cake it is a freaking lawsuit. I guess that doesn't apply to the fagot world.
     

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    The reason the business world quakes in fear(so to speak) over homosexuality is because of the massive support group and network, built up over the years, to support the movement.
    And it wasn't always so powerful and supportive, a whole lotta guys and girls got beaten, raped, murdered, careers trashed over sexual orientation.

    What sucks is that when I order something, I now have to choose between two companies that obviously don't care what is or is not legal, and a giant federal money pit that is helping to bleed this country dry.
     

    Little Jack

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    The reason the business world quakes in fear(so to speak) over homosexuality is because of the massive support group and network, built up over the years, to support the movement.
    And it wasn't always so powerful and supportive, a whole lotta guys and girls got beaten, raped, murdered, careers trashed over sexual orientation.

    What sucks is that when I order something, I now have to choose between two companies that obviously don't care what is or is not legal, and a giant federal money pit that is helping to bleed this country dry.

    I agree with most of the above. WRT the PO. It's argued that most of that bleeding stems from the PAEA from 2006 that congress passed that forces the PO to prefund it's healthcare.

    I'm not going to say they are the model of efficiency but they've been significantly hobbled by the actual Gov.
     

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    I guess I'll have to look into it more, but it still sucks that two of he big three are pulling this noise.
     

    Droshki

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    I shipped an upper last week. They asked what was in the box. I said "machine parts".

    What's so hard about that?
     

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    Seems to me that this guy could make a lot more money selling a box programmed for a suppressor's helix baffle system made from SS or TI. They would cost a good bit more, retail, than an 80% AR-15 lower. If you want to file a Form 1 it is the one part that is missing from a cheap build.
    Ed
     

    Little Jack

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    Seems to me that this guy could make a lot more money selling a box programmed for a suppressor's helix baffle system made from SS or TI. They would cost a good bit more, retail, than an 80% AR-15 lower. If you want to file a Form 1 it is the one part that is missing from a cheap build.
    Ed

    If you do some looking, it dose like you could do something like that with this thing. It's not limited to just lowers. It's a table top CNC machine. With the correct file you could machine anything that will fit in the "workspace". Someone who knows cad and has the appropriate software could make this thing cut a whole lower from a block of 7075
     

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    Ah, there is the rub, the helix baffle system would need to be made from harder stuff than aluminum. Would think it could be done, just a bit more slowly with harder mill bits and more passes.
    Ed
     

    Little Jack

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    Ah, there is the rub, the helix baffle system would need to be made from harder stuff than aluminum. Would think it could be done, just a bit more slowly with harder mill bits and more passes.
    Ed

    Again, I don't think this thing will be limited to aluminum. Get the right cutter and you should be good. Sounded like the major limitations on this thing were the size and the relative speeds
     
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