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  • TennJeep1618

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    For some reason I had a sneaking suspicion you were looking at it with the potential of building mock stages.

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    Having room for a range is not quite a deciding factor, but it bears a large weight in the final decision. I don't even need room to setup full stages. I just want enough room to run some drills with a little movement.
     
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    That would be awesome. Hope you find what you're looking for. Land to build a house too?

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    All previous diplomatic efforts before Trump have brought us to the current situation. This has basically been paying "blackmail" so DPRK will bahave, not play with big missles or develope nuclear weapons. That has failed miserably. Il has continued to do underground nuke testing and launched several long range including two rockets over Japan.

    Trump is talking loudly and carrying a big stick. Whats more provocative: threating strategic attack on U.S. territories and launching rockets over our allies or speaking badly of the madman doing it and identifying the potential repercussions for his actions. A lot of people (especially those in DC and the media) need to put on their big boy pants.

    China has enjoyed and supported (financially, materially and technically) DPRKs saber rattling while expanding trade from their cheap labor and making billions of dollars! It is time to hold them accountable too! Either China reels in the DPRK, expands China's territory and takes over some new beach front or they are going to have a glowing parking lot next door. I see no other options that will eliminate DPRKs nuke/rocket program and continued threats and escalation. Talks cheap, lies are plentiful and no diplomatic effort has been worth a damn or provided a deterrent.

    Anyone who thinks Trump is going to pussy foot around and become a weak ass PC tool is sadly mistaken.
     
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    I am glad I love my country enough, and am a patriot enough, to know when another country has already attacked. That orange son of a bitch won't even mention a thing about it.
     

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    I am glad I love my country enough, and am a patriot enough, to know when another country has already attacked. That orange son of a bitch won't even mention a thing about it.


    upon which coast or city, or USA asset has another country attacked? besides every mooslem country on the planet, by forcefeeding us their sorry ass immigrants intent only on establishing America as a sharia country?


    i am waiting to see which direction i should aim at, and with which weapon....as i too am a patriot , ready to defend my country

    was it china? who stole OPM files on 21 million americans
    was it Russia? who bought ads on facebook to influence the weak willed ?
    was it Israel? who is our only friend in the Mideast?

    or was it antifa? clearly a terrorist organization.
    tell me, i want to know




    and who is this orange son of a bitch ? trump?


    if so, did you call obumba a black son of a bitch for all his attacks on our country, and freedoms?

    maybe bush...? after all, tower 7 fell with no plane hitting it, clearly the work of bush huh?


    we should have a sarcasm icon....
     
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    For those that understand international geopolitics are more complicated then an internet meme.

    The Agreed Framework between the United States of America and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea was signed on October 21, 1994, between North Korea (DPRK) and the United States. The objective of the agreement was the freezing and replacement of North Korea's indigenous nuclear power plant program with more nuclear proliferation resistant light water reactor power plants, and the step-by-step normalization of relations between the U.S. and the DPRK. Implementation of the agreement was troubled from the start, but its key elements were being implemented until it effectively broke down in 2003.
     

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    For those that understand international geopolitics are more complicated then an internet meme.

    The Agreed Framework between the United States of America and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea was signed on October 21, 1994, between North Korea (DPRK) and the United States. The objective of the agreement was the freezing and replacement of North Korea's indigenous nuclear power plant program with more nuclear proliferation resistant light water reactor power plants, and the step-by-step normalization of relations between the U.S. and the DPRK. Implementation of the agreement was troubled from the start, but its key elements were being implemented until it effectively broke down in 2003.


    oh yay/...

    another post backed up by Wikipedia.....an absolutely impeccable source of facts....

    what's next? a snopes article?
     

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    fl57caveman

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    just what exactly is your point?



    posting 50 pages worth of stuff is not productive in getting your point across.

    tell me more please
     

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    Do we not provide you fellas enough room for your political rants and opinions?! This is a thread for short, random discussions. There's a plethora of threads in the Off Topic section covering this stuff, I'm all for sharing of info but for crying out loud, keep it to a couple different threads.
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    Do we not provide you fellas enough room for your political rants and opinions?! This is a thread for short, random discussions. There's a plethora of threads in the Off Topic section covering this stuff, I'm all for sharing of info but for crying out loud, keep it to a couple different threads.
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